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Old 01-17-2010, 09:26 PM
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Question Torsion bar tool v. C-clamp ?

I looked through the suspension posts but didn't find an answer. So forgive me if this has been covered.

I have to replace lower control arms (among a few other things) on my 2001 2wd Edge. The book says to remove the torsion bars using a "special torsion bar tool."

Can I substitute a C-clamp to unload the TB or do I need the tool? If I need the tool, does somone know where I could get one? None of the parts stores around here even have the torsion bar tool for sale, much less can loan one. (One parts store told me to just unscrew the TB adjustment bolt.) Any thoughts???

Thanks for the input guys!!!
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Old 01-17-2010, 10:39 PM
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Honestly, the safest way is using the special tool or just not using any special tool whatsoever. Just unbolt the sway bar links, top shock mount, upper balljoint, possibly the brake caliper, and you can get enough droop out of the LCA to pitch the key just high enough to remove that keeper block that the adjustment screw threads into.

I always used a big 12 or 14" c-clamp with that wobbly removed....it was always very sketchy using it. Same with the 2-jaw puller...damn near slipped off the frame and was a flying projectile one time. The only way to do it correctly and safely, is the $175 tool. Or doing what I suggested above.

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(One parts store told me to just unscrew the TB adjustment bolt.)
Not possible...they don't understand how a torsion bar works. haha. Yeah...take the adjustment bolt out when you're disassembling everything....but even with bolt removeal...the truck is totally driveable and you can make that your ride height. lol. Still gotta get the key off the bolt first in order to remove that keeper block.
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Old 01-18-2010, 06:24 PM
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Thanks Shane. I am removing the whole front suspension. Ball joints, tie rod ends, and of course the wheel and brakes so I can get to it. Everything (BJ's, bearings, tie rod, shocks, bushings, brakes) is shot and has to be replaced.

My plan is to put her on jack stands and yank the tire then disk and calp. The shock next. Stabillizer bar after that. I thought next would be marking the TB adj screw, remove TB cover then seperate the BJ's top and bottom pulling the spindle off. Then it would be a piece of cake to remove both the UCA and LCA. Reverse order for assem and get an alignment.

You're saying I can get away with softening the TB load (lowering frnt end), support LCA w/ floor jack, then seperate the BJ top spindle and shock. Lower jack and LCA will pull the TB down enough to get to the block holding the key, right?

I hate the idea of having to spend another couple hundred, especially on a tool I may only use this once.

BTW - Your truck looks great dude
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Old 01-18-2010, 06:59 PM
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You're saying I can get away with softening the TB load (lowering frnt end), support LCA w/ floor jack, then seperate the BJ top spindle and shock. Lower jack and LCA will pull the TB down enough to get to the block holding the key, right?
YEP!! Loooove giving advice to someone who knows what I'm talking about! hahaha! Someone who knows how a torsion bar works!! haha. Yep.....frame up on stands, mark torsion adjustment bolt and back it all the way out, jack under LCA, sway bar links removed, at least upper shock mount undone, undo BJ's to remove spindle, lower jack, and it should have enough droop to get the 'keeper block' out of there. On one rig I had to have someone step on the LCA to make it droop more, but it worked. Air tools make this really fast and awesome. BTW....those UCA's and LCA's are kind of a bitch to put in. Just a fair warning. haha.

I know I've got pics somewhere...been meaning to write up a torsion bar removal/replace/key swap how-to since June. lol.

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Thanks man. Appreciate it!
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Old 01-27-2010, 09:24 PM
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Just curious, do you think that there would be enough room to get the keeper block out at full droop, with out removing the adjuster bolt? The reason I ask is because I have a broken adjuster bolt that I need to replace but cant remove the bolt since it is broke off flush with the keeper block. I tried C clamps 2 & 3 jaw pullers, and even the special tool, but was unable to get the torsion key to raise off the adjuster bolt. The top of the key hits against the cross member just barely, maybe 1/8". I think it should clear it normally, so I'm guessing my frame may be a little tweaked from too much abuse.
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Old 01-27-2010, 10:23 PM
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Just curious, do you think that there would be enough room to get the keeper block out at full droop, with out removing the adjuster bolt?
Absolutely not.

At least I really don't think so. That's ALOT more droop needed to remove it with the bolt in it than it is to without the bolt. Like I said earlier, you may need someone to push on the LCA with their foot to get enough droop to move the block WITHOUT the adjustment bolt even there.



What I'd do if your truck was mine.....Is either get the torsion bar tension relief toolthing. OR....little unsafe and scary, but torch cut the bolt between the key and the keeper block with the truck at full droop. Replace the keeper block and obviously the already messed up adjustment bolt.
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Old 01-28-2010, 09:39 PM
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Yeah I've had a new bolt waiting for it for about 2 years. I don't like the torch idea, thats a lot of stored energy being released when the block breaks, and I don't wanna be anywhere near it. I've tried the special tool, but just ended up seizing the threads on it since it was trying to push the torsion key against the cross member. After that I just said f-it and gave up. Maybe on day I'll get bored enough to try again.
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