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Old 03-19-2017, 09:16 AM
philmeagher philmeagher is offline
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Default Fixing Ranger sag with short add a leaf

Just ordered a 2" AAL for cheap-ish online. Exited to finally not be always conscious of a slightly saggy rear end, and also for the extra strength in terms of dealing with a heavy payload..

Will post before / after pics for others considering this upgrade. I understand there's some range in the result (1"-3" lift). Crossing my fingers and hoping for 2" for a slight rake/stronger stance.

Here it is: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00VX...ID=31mn0KLYUNL

Edit: here's a photo of the state of my leafs without a load...in case it's not obvious, I'm in the rust belt.



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Old 03-19-2017, 11:10 AM
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Default Re: Fixing Ranger sag with short add a leaf

Add a leaf may get you an extra 300-500lbs of payload capacity. however, A severely sagged stock leaf spring will in fact, be harder on any AAL, than a stock leaf spring pack in decent condition.

A bastard pack is in between an AAL and Full packs. It is just adding leaves to the current pack. People say they ride better than an AAL, but that is not necessarily true. Given that you are keeping the same main leaf, the lift is accomplished the same as an AAL, by increasing the spring rate.. You achive that arch by adding more leaves, which increase the spring rate, making it stiffer. Really, Its not much different than an AAL.

Full packs are the best option usually, because they are new, obviously. Cheap ones could not be much different than an AAL or bastard pack, accomplishing height by increasing rate. An unloaded lift pack could have the same arch as an unloaded stock pack.

Nicer ones are built with more arch, and because of that they can have the same rate as a stock pack. for example, take 150lbs/inch as an example. If you had a spring that had a 6 inch arch with 150lbs per inch, when loaded say with 600lbs, would sit at 2" of arch (600/150=4). With the same rate an 8" pack would sit at 4" (2" of lift), and ride the same. A cheaper one may have 7" arch, but a 200lbs/inch rate, which would sit at 4" also, but ride stiffer.

Heavy Duty Leaf Spring Swap From Stock 93/97 Rangers...

I had went this route until I could determine the Deaver leaf custom kit that will fit my needs as I always have gear in the truck for everything and anything. And when I say that, I mean the truck has at least the following in it at all times;

- His and Her totes each consisting of a Spare ground tent, 2 sleeping bags (which the one of the two zips to the other one in the other tote and there is a separate military sleep 3pc system good for up to -15* too), 2 additional fleece blankets ea., a wind breaker and a slightly heavier coat. The tote weighs in near 50lbs (x 2)

- MAC tool bag, capable of nearly everything to do anything on the side of the road or trail.., nearly. That's 86lbs

- Spare Alternator, starter, couple hoses & belt, 2 sets of spark plugs, misc.. 60+lbs

- His & Her G.H.B. (a) 34lbs (b) 29lbs

- 1/30' ARB snatch strap, 2/20' ARB snatch straps, 4 shackles, a tree saver strap, a full-size shovel, a full first responder trauma/first aid pack, 2 smaller first aid kits all of which weigh in near 60-70 lbs

- and a pack of water...

I havent included what I take along with additional recovery gear, the fridge, misc ammo and firearms the weight of the truck vault I am building along with on-board air system or the rear multicarrier I havent built yet. The Flip Pac weighs in at 329Lbs alone and adds to lots of things to consider weight wise as some of those things once added, will be a part of the vehicles new curb weight too.



I think you would be better off to go with a full leaf pack upgrade or build a leaf pack than using the AAL [Add A Leaf] kit. I've not heard of anyone who off roads or caries a consistent amount of weight have a good story about their AAL experiences across the truck platforms.. Not Ford, Not Jeeps, Not Toyota's, certainly not Nissans.

Not only will a full leaf pack ride better its capable of so much more between capacity of payload and flexing when asked. Over flexing a leaf spring will cut its lifespan dramatically, no matter what type of lift you install. Leaf springs simply cannot deal with the added stress of over-flexing.

Ride stiffness is as more dependent on your choice of shock absorbers and brand of lift parts than on the actual type of lift parts, AAL vs a brand new lift pack. All lifted vehicles will ride differently than stock and you should expect some compromises when driving a lifted Vehicle.

And although AAL does not contribute to axle wrap, Lift blocks do contribute to axle wrap and are the least desirable lift option. Lift blocks are also the most likely lift option to cause excessive leaf spring sagging due to the addition of axle wrap to the lift equation.

I seen this post was fresh so lots of people will weigh in on this I hope. I sadly can only parrot some things I've heard but my experiences are shared with what I do more often monthly than most do yearly.
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Old 03-19-2017, 12:34 PM
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Default Re: Fixing Ranger sag with short add a leaf

^good info as always. I'd recommend canceling your order and saving for 2 new packs. The AAL works for restoring some payload but you'll be punished while unloaded.

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Old 03-20-2017, 02:34 PM
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Default Fixing Ranger sag with short add a leaf

Really appreciate the awesome intel^^ and hell ya, makes me want to go hunting.

Damn...I didn't necessarily feel like battling with the rusted shackles yet, etc. If AAL is really that bad I am tempted to just throw in 1.5" blocks for the meantime. It can't be too bad considering some rangers come with them stock. Also, I don't off roading beyond regular dirt roads, and my sag is only about 1" below parallel in the back.

The real problem with the new leaf set is I do all this work in a rented space where I get only 3 hours on the lift before having to get out.

Thanks for the info, I'll update this thread regardless, and post again when I one day get a new set of leafs altogether...I appreciate the link & all the info, Understm8d.

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Old 03-21-2017, 11:40 AM
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Default Re: Fixing Ranger sag with short add a leaf

I try despite all my weirdness...

If it helps boost your confidence, following that leaf spring swap info link; I did it all in a parking space behind my buddy's Ramona Tire shop because even though I did have floor jack stands, I did not have a floor jack at the time... [DOH !]

I cant' remember which trim came with them but yes, they did use a 1-1.5" block. That will net you a height increase but certainly not payload capacity however.



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In the real near future I am swapping out all of my totes for Alu-Box counterparts. Once I do that and a couple other quick things, I am going to do a few videos on my truck; An overview of mods, the things you dont see that made differences, the flip-Pac operation and the bed set up.

This particular unit is 56L and will be used for non perishable food storage. Dust proof and water resistant inside or outside in the elements.



These will be replacing the his and her totes exclusively, [ABS115].




I also have some videos I need to edit of other people vehicles I've done work to.. but that'll be on youtube mostly.
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Old 03-22-2017, 09:57 AM
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Default Re: Fixing Ranger sag with short add a leaf

It's a good point....I really just need to suck it up and "christen" a random place in my neighborhood by tackling some back yard mechanics there. haha.

Do those totes bolt into the bed?
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Well, yes and no.. lol

Typically they stack well because of the corners and they get ratchet strapped down in the bed. But soon there will be a 10" sub floor as a locking drawer system with a 1/2" of Marine grade Birch ply as a base with a rubber mat affixed to the top of that which has a special flat aluminum strip with sliding eye-bolts attached to the edges for adjustability.

I actually sell them.. shhhh! but they come in various sizes to an almost Tetris like fashion because I have to allow for space for the Engel fridge that slides out of the back and the rest of the cabinets I am making. That part of the build will def be in my build thread

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And if you lived closer, Id help ya out as much as I could.

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Default Fixing Ranger sag with short add a leaf

Lol. I appreciate it! I feel like I'm the only dude from the northeast. Everyone else seems to know each other and lives where it's warm. What gives? There's a million rangers out here too...


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