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Old 04-17-2014, 09:41 PM
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Ok it's about time to start gathering parts for this swap and I know what I want as far as 1 ton axles on leaves and instead of swapping the trans and messing with a bunch of wiring nonsense I planed on mouting up a ford np205 divorced case. Now as far as the steering box goes could I still use one out of a yota with them being 1 tons? I've seen them on d44's a lot but I don't think I've seen them on d60's. Now on the axles i know I want one tons and I've seen a few good deals on newer superduty d60's here lately (05-06) and was wondering if I could use them and in my swap, I'm kinda leaning forwards them being newer and have 4wheel disks with abs but idk if I could even hook abs back up I guess that's another question here.
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Old 04-18-2014, 05:34 PM
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Old 04-19-2014, 12:27 PM
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Old 04-19-2014, 02:39 PM
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1ton this, 1ton that....do you see yourself actually using and needing 1tons? Back axle? Sterling?


Only wiring "mess" would be if you're running an electric case. No trans electrical needed if you swap trans. If you run a BW1354M, you're only a 4x4 trans swap away from running stock stuff for a Ranger without the headache of making this part work with that, blahblahblah.


Divorced case leads to possible shaft angle problems out back not to mention the the low hanging super long front shaft. Why mess with it when you can swap trans for a 4x4 and run a old Ranger manual case? Too much work and messing around to run divorced in my opinion.


NP205 is a fairly large case. You may run into fitment issues between the frame. This has been encountered with folks with 5.0 swaps and running F150 (3156?) cases.


Many use '86-94 Toyota IFS boxes. Standard pickup boxes.
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Old 04-19-2014, 11:32 PM
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Ok thanks for the insite man, I'm pretty dead set on running one tons this summer this is basically turning into a mud/mild crawler and I plan on running a Fairly large tire. So your saying if I swap in the same trans just 4x4 I won't have any wiring todo as long as I run a manual trans case?
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Old 04-20-2014, 12:29 AM
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So your saying if I swap in the same trans just 4x4 I won't have any wiring todo as long as I run a manual trans case?
Yes.

how large of a tire?

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Old 04-20-2014, 12:47 PM
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Yes. how large of a tire?
end result probably 37's or 38's
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Old 04-20-2014, 05:55 PM
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end result probably 37's or 38's
Tons would be a waste of time then... I know it's not what you wanted to hear, not what I wanted it to be when I first figured it out lol but it is what it is.

With 37's on one tons you're gonna have less axle clearance than an 8.8 on 32's.

No matter how big your axle is if you don't have the clearance you're not gaining anything, if you're gonna do tons you need to really be looking at at least a 39.5" to 42" tire.

Since you're going with leafs I'm figuring you're trying to do a budget build, if that's the case do a D-44 front and 9" rear, those will do fine with 37's or 38's.

If you're gonna take a little more time and money and do a nicer setup, look into making (or getting made if you don't feel comfortable doing it) a 609 front and rear axle, 3 link front, 4 link rear, coilovers, etc.

The 609 will give you good clearance and be right there with a one ton as far as strength goes, then you could run anywhere from 37's to 42's maybe little bigger if you ever wanted.

You also have the option to find a set of planetary hubs for the dana 60, that'll give you extra clearance.

BTW leaf springs aren't really gonna save you THAT much money

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Old 04-20-2014, 08:42 PM
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I didn't plan on a budget build it's just preference and I'll be doing it along with some help from some friends. If I did end up going with coil overs I'd probably have a 4x4 shop set the axle and do all the hard part just because from what I've read doing coils yourself is a PITA, with the different beams and bars that have to be installed and getting the clearances and angles right. As far as tire size I could go with a larger tire it's just what I kinda figured would look ok but I'm not exactly going for looks here I'm wanting this to function as best as it possibly would. But if it looks good to that's just a plus
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Old 04-20-2014, 09:43 PM
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I didn't plan on a budget build it's just preference and I'll be doing it along with some help from some friends. If I did end up going with coil overs I'd probably have a 4x4 shop set the axle and do all the hard part just because from what I've read doing coils yourself is a PITA, with the different beams and bars that have to be installed and getting the clearances and angles right. As far as tire size I could go with a larger tire it's just what I kinda figured would look ok but I'm not exactly going for looks here I'm wanting this to function as best as it possibly would. But if it looks good to that's just a plus
coilover with links are really no harder to get everything lined up than leafs... little easier with links imo you've got a lot more adjustment.

function with one tons will require at least 38's or bigger and trimming fenders otherwise it's gonna be retarded high.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/ford/...ger-build.html

Just an option since he started with the same thing you are... his setup could handle 37's also, People underrate IFS cause it's what they have, then use the fact that they have IFS to swap a solid axle when they've never even broke anything and it takes where they wanna go.

Some competition crawlers have started going to IFS now, by what I've seen a properly built IFS setup is just as good if not better than a solid axle, you can even build a Dana 60 IFS.

Basically if it works and does what you need don't start all over and waste the money, use it to make what you already have stronger.
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Old 04-20-2014, 10:49 PM
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You could always do hydro assist on the yota box.
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Old 04-20-2014, 11:09 PM
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x2 on all Dustin's comments.

I'm terribly rusty on specific details as I axed my plans for it a few years ago. I bit because 3 days without a reply. lol.

And x2 on people doing it without actually having the real need...aka breaking their IFS. I can honestly tell you that when I do wheel, I wheel considerably harder than my friends with their SAS'd Tacomas or a now-gone certain silver Ranger. Embarrassing really on their part.

And for what it's worth, you're building it for mud? I think you need more power. Mud is requires considerable horsepower. But mud sucks anyway...trails is where it's at. lol.

Better build a build thread so we can follow!
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Old 04-21-2014, 06:00 AM
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Not to deter you from a d60, but the d44 I bought from a 78 bronco weighs a shit load I cannot imagine a 60
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Old 04-21-2014, 04:03 PM
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coilover with links are really no harder to get everything lined up than leafs... little easier with links imo you've got a lot more adjustment. function with one tons will require at least 38's or bigger and trimming fenders otherwise it's gonna be retarded high. http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/ford/...ger-build.html Just an option since he started with the same thing you are... his setup could handle 37's also, People underrate IFS cause it's what they have, then use the fact that they have IFS to swap a solid axle when they've never even broke anything and it takes where they wanna go. Some competition crawlers have started going to IFS now, by what I've seen a properly built IFS setup is just as good if not better than a solid axle, you can even build a Dana 60 IFS. Basically if it works and does what you need don't start all over and waste the money, use it to make what you already have stronger.
thanks, by looking at that thread I can maybe keep my expo console. I'm still not fully understanding why a smaller tire would prevent flex. Well see if I stayed ifs I couldn't run 36" + tires and my goal is at least 38's. If I could get away with staying ifs I would but no matter how I go I wouldn't be able to run that large of a tire and if I could I'm sure I would have major clearance issues and little to no flex.

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You could always do hydro assist on the yota box.
what would be the use?, just easier to turn the bigger tires?

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And for what it's worth, you're building it for mud? I think you need more power. Mud is requires considerable horsepower. But mud sucks anyway...trails is where it's at. lol. Better build a build thread so we can follow!
not specifically for mud that's just the main thing that's around where I live, I love trail riding in the truck and I'd like to try some crawling. Don't worry haha there will be one.

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Not to deter you from a d60, but the d44 I bought from a 78 bronco weighs a shit load I cannot imagine a 60
yep I know idk if it has any difference but I'm looking at 06 super duty axles right now for both front and back
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Old 04-21-2014, 04:34 PM
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thanks, by looking at that thread I can maybe keep my expo console. I'm still not fully understanding why a smaller tire would prevent flex. Well see if I stayed ifs I couldn't run 36" + tires and my goal is at least 38's. If I could get away with staying ifs I would but no matter how I go I wouldn't be able to run that large of a tire and if I could I'm sure I would have major clearance issues and little to no flex.
Smaller tire won't prevent flex, it's how close your axle is to the ground the D-60 with 37's will drag the ground/rocks/mud where a 8.8 wouldn't on 33's, when you put that 60 in the front and rear on 37's it's gonna be a plow in the mud/rocks and stop you where it wouldn't stop a IFS on 33's.

IFS with 37's is no problem if you use your head instead of the skinny pedal when mudding/crawling, there are plenty of people out there with 37's on a d-30 and haven't had any issues, the largest I know of is running 39.5's on a 30 with chromo shafts and hasn't broke anything yet.

The same fender clearance issues arise with 37's on tons as 37's on IFS, if you're gonna keep a low COG for crawling you're gonna have to cut the fenders, there's no way around it.

BTW I run 37's on IFS... gets me where I've wanted to go so far. I'm building a set of axles for it, not because I need them, just cause I want em lol

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yep I know idk if it has any difference but I'm looking at 06 super duty axles right now for both front and back
Being a super duty it'll be a 35 spline 60 if it's 05+, nice axles, also if you're getting the rear out of the same truck it might be a sterling rear.

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