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Old 06-07-2010, 02:34 PM
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Default Suggestions for diesel swaps

I searched on here, figured there'd be more info on people converting to a diesel setup.

My truck is a 1998 Ranger extended cab w/ V6 (4.?) and automatic tranny. 2WD The tranny has been blown and vehicle sitting for a few years....

I'm looking for the least complex swap, or at least suggestions on ideas of what to use. I'd be interested in a 5speed as well. Maybe tranny or gearing change for highway crusing speeds. I'd be interested in the Mercedes 300d 5cylinder engine too.

The reason for the swap is fuel economy and cost. I plan on running bio-diesel and using the truck as a daily driver. Rarely will it tow anything, maybe a camper trailer eventually.


Reliability, fuel economy, and cheap fuel is my goal..... But also not looking for a slug Any help would be great.
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Old 06-07-2010, 03:45 PM
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Default Re: Suggestions for diesel swaps

I think the easiest diesel swap is a cummins 4BT
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Old 06-07-2010, 04:25 PM
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Nice! further down the rabbit hole I go......
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Old 06-08-2010, 02:22 PM
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Default Re: Suggestions for diesel swaps

another hippie in the ranger community lol? good luck on the swap its one that i would like to do to, and like camodown said the easiest swap from what i read is the Cummins 4BT
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Old 06-08-2010, 10:19 PM
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Default Re: Suggestions for diesel swaps

I never said anything about saving the environment! I think it's only accurate you can call me a cheapass!

Oh wait, my name gave me away... dammit! Honestly I'd love this truck to be hemp fuel powered and have a hemp seed oil paint job. :-) It seems being "green" is also a major money savings in most cases.

This truck is being setup to travel next summer... company vehicle for a hemp-based copmany.
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Old 06-08-2010, 10:21 PM
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haha ok ok ok. to convert to diesel is not actually going to be cheap tho to do that cummins 4BT motor is probably going to be between 10 and 15 thousand.
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Old 07-27-2010, 02:32 PM
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Default Re: Suggestions for diesel swaps

Does the Cummins 4BT bolt up to an automatic transmission on a 1998 Ranger?
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Old 07-28-2010, 06:54 AM
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Default Re: Suggestions for diesel swaps

well seeing as its a motor from a diffrent company im pretty sure it dosent bolt up to a ranger transmission
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Old 07-28-2010, 03:26 PM
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Default Re: Suggestions for diesel swaps

I hate to break it to ya, but any diesel swap is not going to be as easy as you think it is. With the 4BT, you WILL need pretty much a whole new drive train. Obviously the engine, transmission, transfer case, most likely different length axles, and probably new axles cuz the stock ones won't hold up to the torque. And then, from my research, it will be 100 times easier if you body lift just to get more clearance. You will also need to find a hydro booster because the diesel's don't produce vacuum to supply the factory vacuum brake booster. Another thing to think about is how to get fuel to the engine. I haven't really done much research in this department, but I don't think that the stock fuel pump will work with the diesel fuel. And then, if it was my truck, I would look to upgrade the front suspension to handle the extra weight of the diesel engine. Another thing I just thought of is that you will have to find an adapter plate for a trans if one doesn't come with the engine. These can run from anywhere $200-700 from my little bit of research on that part of the swap. If I were to do this to my truck, which I want to do, I would expect it to cost about $3,000-4,000, and that is with getting a good deal on the engine (which is the only way I would end up doing it). Not to mention I would have to get a beater car to drive while the truck is down and the swap is taking place. Not a cheap or easy process by any means.

EDIT: Never mind about the transfer case and front axle, you are only 2wd.
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Old 07-28-2010, 03:30 PM
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haha ok ok ok. to convert to diesel is not actually going to be cheap tho to do that cummins 4BT motor is probably going to be between 10 and 15 thousand.
That would probably be the price of a brand new engine, but you can find them pretty much all day long for $2-3,000. And a lot of times, you could get a complete engine with a trans adapter for around 3,000.
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Old 07-28-2010, 03:55 PM
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I hate to break it to ya, but any diesel swap is not going to be as easy as you think it is. With the 4BT, you WILL need pretty much a whole new drive train. Obviously the engine, transmission, transfer case, most likely different length axles, and probably new axles cuz the stock ones won't hold up to the torque. And then, from my research, it will be 100 times easier if you body lift just to get more clearance. You will also need to find a hydro booster because the diesel's don't produce vacuum to supply the factory vacuum brake booster. Another thing to think about is how to get fuel to the engine. I haven't really done much research in this department, but I don't think that the stock fuel pump will work with the diesel fuel. And then, if it was my truck, I would look to upgrade the front suspension to handle the extra weight of the diesel engine. Another thing I just thought of is that you will have to find an adapter plate for a trans if one doesn't come with the engine. These can run from anywhere $200-700 from my little bit of research on that part of the swap. If I were to do this to my truck, which I want to do, I would expect it to cost about $3,000-4,000, and that is with getting a good deal on the engine (which is the only way I would end up doing it). Not to mention I would have to get a beater car to drive while the truck is down and the swap is taking place. Not a cheap or easy process by any means.

EDIT: Never mind about the transfer case and front axle, you are only 2wd.

Agree with ya. There is a company who makes a plate to connect the cummins to the transmission.

Where I work a overhauled cummins would cost about 4K

If you found one in a salvage yard ur gonna spend 1200 and it may not run that good.
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Old 07-28-2010, 05:07 PM
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Default Re: Suggestions for diesel swaps

Advance Adapters is the company that makes the adapter plates. I haven't really looked that much for 4BT's, but the ones I did see for sale were I think $1,700 for the cheapest and then like 7 or 8 grand for a rebuilt one on eBay.

Another thing I forgot is to check out 4btswaps.com for a ton of info on almost anything you need for the Cummins swap or even some other diesel engine swaps.
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Old 07-28-2010, 05:15 PM
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Default Re: Suggestions for diesel swaps

Wonder how long a stock ranger tranny would last with a cummins hooked to it?

From what I have seen them do to our dynos I couldnt imagine it would last long.
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Old 07-28-2010, 06:28 PM
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Default Re: Suggestions for diesel swaps

Even there is an adapter for our crappy trans to fit it, I highly doubt it would take the torque for long. Unless you ONLY drive like a grandma it might last, but who ever does that? I have found a few swaps in F-150s that some people use the M5OD-R2 or something like that. I don't know how much stronger those manual trans are versus the plain jain M5OD.

To the op: Don't think that we are saying that the 3.9L 4BT cummins is the only diesel swap option out there. That is just what I know most about, and seems to be the most common. There are many, many diesel engines out there that will fit in the Ranger engine bay with slight modifications, you just gotta start searching and searching and searching. I have been kind of have been off and on with the whole swap thing and I will go months without ever reading any thing about it, then I will go several weeks where that is almost all that I research.
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Old 07-28-2010, 06:33 PM
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If by chance you could find a diesel that came in the old 80's ranger you could go with that.
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