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Old 01-31-2010, 02:20 PM
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Surfer & FX4 are bang on with all their points and I agree 100% on all points made.
It does make me laugh when people talk about lockjaw dogs " yea those pitts bite then lock on" lol what a load of BS.
No such thing.
It's called grip.
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yay for facts! and golden retrievers have serious biting issues, i think they are up in the top 3 for dogs that bite people. they always need to be chewing on something or they will get ansy and bite what ever they can find
You are so full of crap. here are the compiled stats from reported dog bites from 1983 to 2006

http://www.dogbitelaw.com/Dog%20Atta...%20Clifton.pdf

Goldens are among the safest of all breeds. Deaths by golden

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Golden retriever: One dog responsible for an attack was rabid. Another
accidentally strangled Kaitlyn Hassard, 6, of Manorville, Long Island,
on 1/24/06, by tugging at her scarf.
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Old 02-03-2010, 08:14 AM
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You are so full of crap. here are the compiled stats from reported dog bites from 1983 to 2006

http://www.dogbitelaw.com/Dog%20Atta...%20Clifton.pdf

Goldens are among the safest of all breeds. Deaths by golden



One rabid and one accidental





That's all wrong.....i wrote all the for a laugh one night when drunk on JD.

Its true, Labs are killers.

Smug, hateful killing machines!

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Old 02-03-2010, 08:26 AM
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This proves my point above that said you generally only hear about pitbull attacks in the media.... 1,110 attacks reported, lol. I would like to know which areas were selected for this study (it could very well be that the areas chosen were heavily populated by pitbulls....). and the last part made me laugh
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Pit bulls and Rottweilers are accordingly dogs who not only must be
handled with special precautions, but also must be regulated with special
requirements appropriate to the risk they may pose to the public and other
animals, if they are to be kept at all.
I'm sorry but BSL is the most stupid thing I have ever heard off, and I will support and fight for this breed as long as I can... because the ignorance of people is still very wide spread.

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For the same reason, it is sheer foolishness to encourage people to
regard pit bull terriers and Rottweilers as just dogs like any other, no
matter how much they may behave like other dogs under ordinary
circumstances.

Temperament is not the issue, nor is it even relevant. What is
relevant is actuarial risk. If almost any other dog has a bad moment,
someone may get bitten, but will not be maimed for life or killed, and the
actuarial risk is accordingly reasonable. If a pit bull terrier or a
Rottweiler has a bad moment, often someone is maimed or killed--and that
has now created off-the-chart actuarial risk, for which the dogs as well as
their victims are paying the price.

Temperament has actually everything to do with it. There is a risk of bite/attack with every breed. Is it more with pitbulls/rottweilers/dobermans/etc.? To a certain degree I guess there is because of what these dogs were bred for, and there is no denial of that.... It really comes down to irresponsible dog ownership. Active dogs need active lives, both physically and mentally. Most of the time, it is not enough to just play with the dog every day, but time needs to be set aside for mental stimulation such as command training, or even taking the dog to a new situation (like a more crowded park, etc.) to get the dog used to people and the stress they bring on. With these breeds socialization is very important.

On a side note (and I'm really done with this stuff, sorry) when I was in college a few years back I actually did a research paper on pitbull attacks on children specifically. If you look at overall statistics more adults are attacked by pitbulls then children... why? Pitbulls become very loyal to their owners... loyal enough to fight to the death with other dogs to please them. They have very little human aggression in them and it shows in dog fights.... in heat of battle when the owner comes into the ring to separate the dogs... he doesn't ever get attacked and killed like one would think. They also become very protective of their pack. This can become a problem when introducing a child into the house for the very first time. The dog has already established it's place in the family pack (if done correctly the dog knows it's at the bottom). Most child attacks by pitbulls happen when the child is 6 years or younger. The reason for this is that parents will usually stop paying attention to the dog (that has gotten a ton of attention before the child). The dog sees the baby as a threat. With time the dog gets used to having the child around, however it can't keep up with the ever changing behavior of a young child. The dog is not ready for all the screaming, hair/ear/tail pulling. That's where problems start, and I blame the parents for not watching the young child while playing with the dog. I understand that you shouldn't have to watch your kid playing with your dog, but pitbull owners have to realize that this particular breed has it's own special characteristics and needs attention that is different from other breeds (just like long hair dogs require regular grooming). If owners don't want to live up to the responsibility of owning this breed and all the good/bad that comes with it then they should have though about that before getting the dog.... problems start when people get pitbull because the look tough and mean and it makes them think they have bigger balls by owning a pit, but do not take the right training and care of the dog. I have personally trained quite a few pits that later went on to pass the CGC (Canine Good Citizen) test and certification.


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Old 02-03-2010, 09:59 AM
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You are so full of crap. here are the compiled stats from reported dog bites from 1983 to 2006

http://www.dogbitelaw.com/Dog%20Atta...%20Clifton.pdf

Goldens are among the safest of all breeds. Deaths by golden



One rabid and one accidental



i said they have a biting problem, not that they have a hurting people problem..jeez. your full of bad interpretations. goldens will chew on everything in your house if you dont give them something to chew on constantly. trust me, my golden walks around with her mouth open till she latches onto something and starts biting. goldens have soft mouths, they can hold an egg in their mouth without breaking it, thats why when they do bite, it doesnt do any harm. she bites me all the time, but it doesnt hurt, i don't report it to some authority on dog biting. i'm just letting people know, golden retrievers like to bite things.
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Old 02-03-2010, 10:03 AM
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i said they have a biting problem, not that they have a hurting people problem..jeez. your full of bad interpretations. goldens will chew on everything in your house if you dont give them something to chew on constantly. trust me, my golden walks around with her mouth open till she latches onto something and starts biting. goldens have soft mouths, they can hold an egg in their mouth without breaking it, thats why when they do bite, it doesnt do any harm. she bites me all the time, but it doesnt hurt, i don't report it to some authority on dog biting. i'm just letting people know, golden retrievers like to bite things.
Your golden needs a good owner to train her. I have had 3 and never had an issue with them chewing or biting stuff, YOU are the problem.....call Ceasar to train you LOL
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Old 02-03-2010, 10:16 AM
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Your golden needs a good owner to train her. I have had 3 and never had an issue with them chewing or biting stuff, YOU are the problem.....call Ceasar to train you LOL
well at 6 months old its called teething, shes a VERY well trained dog, and does everything i ask her to do and more. shes already house broken and understands a whole lot of what i tell her. they have soft mouths and always are chewing on stuff, so i dunno what your goldens do all day, but mine and our old dog, and my friends two goldens chew on stuff all day, mostly their toys because they have 1000000 toys
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i had a choclate lab and he didnt stop chewing on things like the proch raliling and toys like the squeaky ones. when he was about 6yrs old he stayed with big sticks and bones we gave him. and it is known that labs will chew up till about 4 if you dont believe me go talk to your vet and im sure goldens are about the same. and yes you can train them to stop chewing earlier. first off its not the dogs fault they attack its the owners so dont sit there and say pittbulls are dangerous they are not i know guys with them and their pittbulls would lick any and everyone to death before they would bite now maybe when they are playing they might bite but its not a im going to kill you bite the ones that bit me let go as soon as they realized they had bit me and they stoped playing and it licked me all over my hand.
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well at 6 months old its called teething, shes a VERY well trained dog, and does everything i ask her to do and more. shes already house broken and understands a whole lot of what i tell her. they have soft mouths and always are chewing on stuff, so i dunno what your goldens do all day, but mine and our old dog, and my friends two goldens chew on stuff all day, mostly their toys because they have 1000000 toys
well as I posted we are getting a brand new golden puppy on Tuesday. We will see. 8 weeks old. LOL
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also the perception of biting is different among people. i don't think there is anything wrong if a dog is nibbling or biting without any pressure, thats not an agressive thing, its just in their nature. biting and drawing blood depends on the circumstances, if kids are rough housing with a dog and the dogs tooth catches a kid(my puppy's teeth are like razorblades), it will probably draw blood, not the dogs fault, but the kids parents will want that dog put down. our first golden didnt ever harm anyone, you could step on him and he wouldnt even snap at you. then one day our neighbors dog was walking outside and our golden was outside, and he bolted to the dog and grabbed it by the neck and killed it. wasn't bad teaching, just happens.
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you should teach any dog not to "nip." Even "play" biting can turn disastrous especially around kids and should be discouraged. Teach the dog if they want to bite in any way do it on a toy or bone...
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you should teach any dog not to "nip." Even "play" biting can turn disastrous especially around kids and should be discouraged. Teach the dog if they want to bite in any way do it on a toy or bone...
X1,000,000,000,000 a dog should never want to have your hand in or near its mouth. by playing games that teach them to nip of mouth play you are teaching them its ok to bite
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Jesus ladies!!
Shut up with all your crap lol

Yorkies and miniture pooches snap and bite but these bites are not reported due to the size of these dogs and lack of damage!!
A bite is a bite but it seems to me it's only the bully breeds or protection dogs that get reported, at the end of the day if you raise your cainine properly whartever breed it is then it should be fine.

Let's drop this finger pointing because we all know that the stats are all shit, idiots that train dogs to be tough or idiots that encourage a spesfic breed to bite or even idiots that just generally have no clue how to raise a dog make up the majority of the pittbull stats, just because a breed is capable of inflicting serious injury does not mean it always wants to.
Ignorance is no excuse.
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Jesus ladies!!
Shut up with all your crap lol

Yorkies and miniture pooches snap and bite but these bites are not reported due to the size of these dogs and lack of damage!!
A bite is a bite but it seems to me it's only the bully breeds or protection dogs that get reported, at the end of the day if you raise your cainine properly whartever breed it is then it should be fine.

Let's drop this finger pointing because we all know that the stats are all shit, idiots that train dogs to be tough or idiots that encourage a spesfic breed to bite or even idiots that just generally have no clue how to raise a dog make up the majority of the pittbull stats, just because a breed is capable of inflicting serious injury does not mean it always wants to.
Ignorance is no excuse.
this is a discussion, we are discussing, whats got our panties in such a bunch?
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