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Old 12-31-2009, 11:07 AM
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Do you have a permit to carry a concealed weapon? If so, you may want to read up on this.

http://www.examiner.com/x-5619-Atlan...awful-carriers

A First Circuit case saying that a person carrying a concealed weapon can be detained and held at gun point even if they have a license/permit and they are not breaking any laws.

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Officer Stern "partially Mirandized Schubert, mentioned the possibility of a criminal charge, and told Schubert that he (Stern) was the only person allowed to carry a weapon on his beat."
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Old 12-31-2009, 11:57 AM
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Welp, that blows. If I were that lawyer, I would continue to appeal all the way up. He was treated like a criminal for following the law.
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Old 12-31-2009, 01:04 PM
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i think the officer did the right thing. concealed weapons permits are SOOO easy to get. here in florida you turn 21 and you practically get it online. for this case to be a legitimate issue, concealed weapons permits must be made more difficult to get. and he had a concealed weapons permit, but the officer was able to spot the weapon from inside his patrol car. this begs the question: how concealed was it? i know everyone is different, but i really don't see the point of carrying a gun around.
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i think the officer did the right thing. concealed weapons permits are SOOO easy to get. here in florida you turn 21 and you practically get it online. for this case to be a legitimate issue, concealed weapons permits must be made more difficult to get. and he had a concealed weapons permit, but the officer was able to spot the weapon from inside his patrol car. this begs the question: how concealed was it? i know everyone is different, but i really don't see the point of carrying a gun around.
Regardless of your views on carrying guns... You really think that it is ok for a police officer to point a gun at someone who is NOT breaking any laws?
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Old 01-01-2010, 09:04 PM
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i may get flamed for this but,, i believe that the permit to carry concealed should be listed federally so every law enforcement agency has the ability to get the info quickly. then crap like this wouldn't happen
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Old 01-01-2010, 09:06 PM
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thats so stupid
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Old 01-01-2010, 09:08 PM
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i think that this is a non issue... the officer saw someone walking with a gun that was visible from the street, in a bad area... may as well stop him, with the recent string of cop killings, if i were a cop i would stop everyone with a gun that i can see. like i said, its way to easy to get a permit, so better safe than sorry. and the only reason this went to court is because this guy's a lawyer. you and i werent there, so we don't know how this whole thing happened.
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Old 01-01-2010, 09:11 PM
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i think that this is a non issue... the officer saw someone walking with a gun that was visible from the street, in a bad area... may as well stop him, with the recent string of cop killings, if i were a cop i would stop everyone with a gun that i can see. like i said, its way to easy to get a permit, so better safe than sorry. and the only reason this went to court is because this guy's a lawyer. you and i werent there, so we don't know how this whole thing happened.
so you wouldnt file a lawsuit if you were wrongfully detained for having a permit to carry a concealed weapon, then have your permit and said weapon confiscated because the dumb cop couldnt "confirm" its your permit when it has your person information on it? thats a pretty ignorant comment saying its a non issue.

and also, getting a CWP varies in difficulty from state to state. in texas and arizona (i think) people can openly carry a firearm with out a permit, in CA its dam near impossible to get a CWP

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Old 01-02-2010, 12:20 AM
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i think that this is a non issue... the officer saw someone walking with a gun that was visible from the street, in a bad area... may as well stop him, with the recent string of cop killings, if i were a cop i would stop everyone with a gun that i can see. like i said, its way to easy to get a permit, so better safe than sorry. and the only reason this went to court is because this guy's a lawyer. you and i werent there, so we don't know how this whole thing happened.
Listen hippy.. It's not always lollipops and Teddy bears in the streets. Which is the exact reason I carry my .45 on me all the time.

Now, seeing that the said guys gun was visible.. It's a breach of concealment. The cop had a right to question the guy and ask to see his permit. Not to hold him at gunpoint. I'd be fighting his ass in court too, not to mention seeking a settlement of large proportions.
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Old 01-02-2010, 01:45 AM
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and also, getting a CWP varies in difficulty from state to state. in texas and arizona (i think) people can openly carry a firearm with out a permit, in CA its dam near impossible to get a CWP
once again if it was listed on a federal level everyone would be subjected to the same rules and ability to get one and the records would be easier for law enforcement to obtain a copy of.
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Old 01-02-2010, 06:28 AM
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he had a CONCEALED carry permit. if the cop was able to see it from the patrol car, then it wasn't concealed. thats why this is a nonissue. the article says nothing about how the whole thing happened, its clearly in favor of the lawyer. the lawyer could have been really argumentative, in which case the cop shouldve taken away the gun.
edgeman- i'm sorry you feel that way, i live in a city that shootings happen every single day, in the past 3 months there have been two right outside my apartment. being such a high crime area here, if that guy had been walking down the street and a cop saw his gun here, he wouldnt be able to sue anyone, he would probably be dead.
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Old 01-02-2010, 09:35 AM
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edgeman- i'm sorry you feel that way, i live in a city that shootings happen every single day, in the past 3 months there have been two right outside my apartment. being such a high crime area here, if that guy had been walking down the street and a cop saw his gun here, he wouldnt be able to sue anyone, he would probably be dead.
I don't see the point you're getting at, if I lived in a high crime area I'd carry my gun anyway. That's what it's for, MY protection. I'm not a criminal, nor would I do anything criminal carrying my firearm. I don't know about you buddy, but I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
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Old 01-02-2010, 09:57 AM
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i'm just saying that i personally don't feel the need to carry a gun with me, i dont care if other people do as long as they keep it concealed. this dude didn't. if he wanted his gun back because he felt the cop was wrong, why didn't he just file a complaint and talk to the cop's superiors. thats why i think this is a non-issue. just like that cambridge cop case. people need to chill out when these situations arise. i'm sure the pd would have given his gun and liscense back to him after they 100% checked everything and he filed a complaint. no need to waste time and money in court for this.
i just feel people are always looking for reasons to sue someone else, and its pathetic. theres a sign on I-95 that says "whocanisue.com".
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Old 01-02-2010, 10:06 AM
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i dont need one i put my gun on the dash and shells in glove box. just that alone seems to stop stupid people from even talking to me !!
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