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Old 11-19-2010, 01:09 PM
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Take it from someone that spent many years in the same company...it just doesn't happen anymore, so...don't do it! If you can, change jobs at least every 4 to 5 years. Every time that you take a new job, make sure it is for more money. Retirement paid by companies is a dead benefit so you don't need to be loyal to any company, be loyal only to yourself. Want to retire early? Save, save, save and then save. Take some risk while you are young, but always invest 'some' of that money in safer more conservative funds. Is better to earn less in your savings than to lose them. Do not live above and beyond your means. Live a simpler but good life and save the extra. The earlier you start to save, the better off you will be. Getting older will come sooner that you want, so starting to save earlier will only benefit you in the long run.
I followed these steps and was able to retire at 56...not too shabby now a days!
You should have made the font bigger in that post so nobody would miss it. very good words!
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Old 11-19-2010, 01:42 PM
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Well, it does not have to be that way.
Our President is trying to get US affordable health care, whether anyone wants to believe it or not.
No other president besides first lady Hilary tried but the big boys with fat wallets and have their hands and face in the pockets of the drug companies and medical field.

Lets see how fast the NEW republicans will end healthcare for the American POOR
Obama isn't trying to get affordable health care, he's giving out free health care. I have no problem with affordable health care and I wish the Democrats and Republicans would do something about it. On new drugs about 1/3 of the cost is for advertising alone. Why do you need to advertise something you can't just go out and buy? Ban advertising on prescription drugs and that will lower much of the cost for pills.

Next they should put a cap on lawsuits. You shouldn't go into any place thinking that mistakes can't be made and unless it was pure negligence you shouldn't be suing the hospital for a million dollars. The fact that these lawsuits can even exist races the price on insurance the hospitals and doctors have to pay, raises lawyer fees, and they lose money due to settlement payouts. You might think I'm cold hearted to say that someone who had to have an arm amputated to save their life due to complications in some routine surgery shouldn't be getting any if not much money. Yes it sucks that you lost your arm, but why do you deserve $400,000 for it? How many military vets do you see missing their arm and how much did they get for it? An annual salary of around $20-30k.

Lastly they should create some new rules for the health insurance companies. They should not allow haggling of prices because only insurance companies can do that. If the hospital charges you $2000 dollars for a visit why do you have to pay all of it while the insurance companies can send them a check for only $600 and get away with it? Hospitals should present fair prices and they should be set in stone no matter who is paying. They also should let health insurance be sold across state lines. The more people who are allowed to buy into insurances the lower the price because with higher numbers there is less of a risk of an increased percentage of insurers needing payout at any one time.

Just a couple simple reforms and insurance costs could be greatly reduced. I would much rather do this and have to pay for my own insurance, if I even want it, than be forced to pay for my insurance as well as paying for other peoples'. If I want to be a good samaritan I should be able to choose how and when.

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The only thing that is worse is when companys take their business overseas to make extreme profits. Nike is a prime example.
Don't quote Nike as being a prime example. Nike still has plants in the US for certain jobs and has the labor intensive jobs overseas like they always have. Nike pays workers overseas much more than they would make other places. It is only smart to manufacture where you will have the most chance of success. You may watch the Dateline stories of how workers in Vietnam or wherever face such horrible conditions, hire children to work, and only make $1.50 a day. Well, most of that isn't really true. Nike, along with most other companies that work overseas, don't hire children workers. Sometimes there are underage workers because THEY WANT THE JOB and lie about their age. And yes, by this country's standards they do not make much, but when one of these jobs can put you into upper-middle class IN THEIR ECONOMY then for them they pay isn't too bad. And no, they aren't force to work 80 hours a week either. I know this because my dad works as and Engineer for Nike for over 15 years and has spent two years at the Vietnam factory as well as traveling to other factories.
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Old 11-20-2010, 12:06 AM
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you have to put some of the blame on the consumer too...

used to be people would be willing to pay a bit more to get better service...now it's just down to Walmart for the cheapest price...nobody can afford to pay a good wage for a quality employee if the only thing the customer cares about "getting it CHEAPER"
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Old 11-20-2010, 05:51 AM
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Obama isn't trying to get affordable health care, he's giving out free health care. I have no problem with affordable health care and I wish the Democrats and Republicans would do something about it. On new drugs about 1/3 of the cost is for advertising alone. Why do you need to advertise something you can't just go out and buy? Ban advertising on prescription drugs and that will lower much of the cost for pills.

Next they should put a cap on lawsuits. You shouldn't go into any place thinking that mistakes can't be made and unless it was pure negligence you shouldn't be suing the hospital for a million dollars. The fact that these lawsuits can even exist races the price on insurance the hospitals and doctors have to pay, raises lawyer fees, and they lose money due to settlement payouts. You might think I'm cold hearted to say that someone who had to have an arm amputated to save their life due to complications in some routine surgery shouldn't be getting any if not much money. Yes it sucks that you lost your arm, but why do you deserve $400,000 for it? How many military vets do you see missing their arm and how much did they get for it? An annual salary of around $20-30k.

Lastly they should create some new rules for the health insurance companies. They should not allow haggling of prices because only insurance companies can do that. If the hospital charges you $2000 dollars for a visit why do you have to pay all of it while the insurance companies can send them a check for only $600 and get away with it? Hospitals should present fair prices and they should be set in stone no matter who is paying. They also should let health insurance be sold across state lines. The more people who are allowed to buy into insurances the lower the price because with higher numbers there is less of a risk of an increased percentage of insurers needing payout at any one time.

Just a couple simple reforms and insurance costs could be greatly reduced. I would much rather do this and have to pay for my own insurance, if I even want it, than be forced to pay for my insurance as well as paying for other peoples'. If I want to be a good samaritan I should be able to choose how and when.

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Don't quote Nike as being a prime example. Nike still has plants in the US for certain jobs and has the labor intensive jobs overseas like they always have. Nike pays workers overseas much more than they would make other places. It is only smart to manufacture where you will have the most chance of success. You may watch the Dateline stories of how workers in Vietnam or wherever face such horrible conditions, hire children to work, and only make $1.50 a day. Well, most of that isn't really true. Nike, along with most other companies that work overseas, don't hire children workers. Sometimes there are underage workers because THEY WANT THE JOB and lie about their age. And yes, by this country's standards they do not make much, but when one of these jobs can put you into upper-middle class IN THEIR ECONOMY then for them they pay isn't too bad. And no, they aren't force to work 80 hours a week either. I know this because my dad works as and Engineer for Nike for over 15 years and has spent two years at the Vietnam factory as well as traveling to other factories.

you compare a war vet with a person losing their arm by a mistake.
thats would nbe like why does a pro basketball, football, baseball, soccer whatever player making 6 MILLION to the president who makes a shit more LESS and has a HIGHER position no matter which president is in office. it just does not make sense.

as far as Obama helping to get lower prices yes he is IDK where you get your info from , but I do listen to his spokepeople and read the whitehouse.gov pages he is helping to close the donut hole when on medicare and one drug cost 200 it would be nice if that would be cut in half.

And if you look at your ranger where do you think those parts are made HENCHO in Mexico=MADE in Mexico
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Old 11-20-2010, 10:10 AM
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you compare a war vet with a person losing their arm by a mistake.
thats would nbe like why does a pro basketball, football, baseball, soccer whatever player making 6 MILLION to the president who makes a shit more LESS and has a HIGHER position no matter which president is in office. it just does not make sense.
As far as this analogy is concerned it is more like this: someone who plays games of pickup with his friend in the driveway makes more money doing that than a nba player.

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as far as Obama helping to get lower prices yes he is IDK where you get your info from , but I do listen to his spokepeople and read the whitehouse.gov pages he is helping to close the donut hole when on medicare and one drug cost 200 it would be nice if that would be cut in half.
And are you trying to tell me that under Obamacare you won't get free health care if you don't have any money? I don't think it's me who needs to start reading. Also, stop reading and listening only to propoganda and maybe find some articles or shows on the breakdown of what Obama says and how it actually will work out. As for closing the donut hole, how will that lower prices? Oh wait, it won't, it will just pass those costs along to the tax payer.

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And if you look at your ranger where do you think those parts are made HENCHO in Mexico=MADE in Mexico
Not sure if this even has to do with anything that was said, but I don't really care too much where it is made. It's now a partial world economy so parts and items will most likely be made in countries where it is cheaper like Mexico (especially because of NAFTA).
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Old 11-25-2010, 08:57 AM
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Read Fox news & learn the other side of the story.


There are 3 sides to the story.

1) Fox News right wing slant
2) MSNBC left wing slant
3) The real factual story

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Is it just me or is it employer loyality in the shitter, times get tough they dump there loyal employees and drive home to there 500k homes and tell their wifes how shitty their day was and I am stuck trying to figure out how to pay health insurance on their cobra plan that is double what I payed while working there-Thanks for listening

Health Insurance is out of control.....when an non college educated entry level nurse makes $50,000 a year you know something is fucked up.
I work for a city government and when I retire, it'll cost me $800 a month to insure my wife at this present time.
Since I am a 60% disabled US Vet my Health insurance is free for everything so I dodged a bullet there.
Healthcare is out of control and the GOP don't care and Dems are clueless too, it'll be illegal immigrant healthcare for all.......go to an emergency room for free health care and the government pays the bill thanks to President Reagan.
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Old 11-26-2010, 04:56 PM
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you have to put some of the blame on the consumer too...

used to be people would be willing to pay a bit more to get better service...now it's just down to Walmart for the cheapest price...nobody can afford to pay a good wage for a quality employee if the only thing the customer cares about "getting it CHEAPER"
Walmart has the best service and prices of anywhere I go to.

Lets compare them to bestbuy. Bestbuy always tries to sell me the most expensive shit they can with all these protection plans and warranties that you dont need. Their return policy blows, and for the same product, they charge $10-$200 more.

Walmart on the other hand always has employees walking around...So if you have questions you can stop them and ask them and they either point me in the right direction or get someone who can, they have the most lenient return policy I have ever seen, their prices are 99% of the time lower than the competition, they employ a lot more people than most stores around here...The only bad thing I can say about walmart is some of the Dbag customers that shop there...which isnt walmart's fault.



As for the company loyalty subject, it is bullshit (not the comment, the way things are run) Back when my dad was growing up, you busted your ass for a company, you moved up in the company, aka, you were loyal to the company, the company was loyal to you...Now they higher who they have to pay the least for all the lower end work and give you hardly any chance to move up. The hotel I worked at in Oklahoma for example...I knew that property like the back of my hand...I have been in all 134 rooms and knew almost everything I could know about the place with the exception of where wires and some pipes were ran. I knew what water shutoffs went to what rooms, what breaker panels went to what rooms, how many beds were in each room. I knew the computer programs we used better than my general manager did. I knew all of our regular guests, I knew all of our contracts we had with companies. And when the director of sales position opened, they didnt even interview me for a promotion even after the GM asked if I was interested in the position. Their excuse was that I didnt have any sales experience. I started out at that place making $8.55/hr and when I left after 3.5yrs I was making $9.88/hr...The person I trained to replace me had no experience in the hotel industry, had no higher qualifications than me, and they started him at $10/hr.

So I have come to the conclusion that they didnt care that I was loyal, they didnt care that I knew that property and the contracts well...They didnt want to promote me because they wouldnt be able to find someone who would come work overnight for less than $10/hr and show up everyday on time. They didnt give a fuck about loyalty...which has completely ruined my trust in any future employers. Im done sticking with a company, hoping to move up. Im going to find a job, and keep looking for the next best thing. Like somone said before "Be loyal to yourself"
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Old 11-26-2010, 08:04 PM
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Best Buy and Walmart are the same class of place...neither are known for exemplary service, some days one may be better than the other, but the service doesn't compare to what you'd get at a real full service place, if you can even find one anymore....nope it's all about the price
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