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Old 10-16-2010, 03:29 AM
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Tobacco
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfa....cfm?Docid=403

Alcohol
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfa....cfm?Docid=399

Here is a chart that breaks down how much each state's government makes from each gallon of gas, each pack of cigarettes etc. by taxing it.
http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/245.html


Just because our government spends more money than it makes (like a teenage girl with daddy's credit card)...It makes a lot of money.
thats my point exactly...it's not like "taxing pot" would cure money problems....government would just spend whatever is there, or as it is now overspend....hence, the government never makes a profit off of anything....never has, never will
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Old 10-16-2010, 03:31 AM
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thats my point exactly...it's not like "taxing pot" would cure money problems....government would just spend whatever is there, or as it is now overspend....hence, the government never makes a profit off of anything....never has, never will
But my point is it would be more money coming in. For once it would be money coming in instead of going out. If we stay on the path we are on now, there is nowhere to go but down. We need someone more coming in. Im not saying it would "cure" money problems...but you cant deny it would help. Less crowded prisons is another plus.
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Old 10-16-2010, 06:03 AM
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Well, its a plant, its not a drug or anything that requires processing, or manufacturing.
Which always makes me wonder why they call it a controlled substance. The only thing controlled about pot is the prices!
Its harmless. I have never seen anyone smoke a joint then start a fight or cause an accident. Alcohol on the other hand destroys cultures, and is far more harmful.
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Old 10-16-2010, 11:54 AM
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Well, its a plant, its not a drug or anything that requires processing, or manufacturing.
Which always makes me wonder why they call it a controlled substance. The only thing controlled about pot is the prices!
Its harmless. I have never seen anyone smoke a joint then start a fight or cause an accident. Alcohol on the other hand destroys cultures, and is far more harmful.
and its not addictive. but if i owned a company some1 working for me that is a pot head might be a lil slow at doin his job but will still get it done and be able to function however a drunk yea that wouldnt work. and plus alot of people when there high you cant even tell
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Old 10-16-2010, 12:59 PM
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This is why I think it has a strong chance of passing. I know quite a few people who are socially against marijuana but intend to vote yes on the proposition for the tax revenue purposes.
x2. my parents dont smoke but they plan to vote for it for money reasons and prison space.

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why your at it, just pass crack, meth, and ecstasy, im sure they will make plenty of money too. A drug is a drug no matter which way you put it. I dont care for the "it comes from the Earth" bullcrap, its a drug which inhibits the senses.
there are lots of things in this world that inhibits senses. alcohol is one of them and its legal. and actually weed is better for you then most of the drugs out there that are legal.

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should they ban alcohal, advil, and coffee? those are all drugs.
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sure why not dont really use any of them...lol
ya but im sure your wife/girlfriend/fiance or whatever she is being a nurse has plenty of patients who are dependent on these drugs. so just because you dont use it why ruin it for others?

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I CAN agree with this statement. If it does pass, as long as it is strictly enforced like alcohol, then maybe it will be ok. Im sure the money will help California, but I think the cons outweigh the pros on this subject.

I'll voice my opinion. I know this is a touchy subject and everyone has their personal preference.

Like Stephen said, I have seen way too many people I know use the stuff and let it lead into other drugs. It is a gateway drug, and it's proven. Too many lives have been ruined by drugs. I know personally from firsthand experience in the family.

Im not going to compare it to caffiene, or advil, alcohol, because IMO, it is nowhere near being on the same level.

With that being said, I think there are other ways for Cali to get the money they need instead of legalizing drugs to get it. This country has come too far to fall apart to drugs.

I see it more as a problem than anything. The main problems I see are:
  • illegally exporting it from Cali to other states
  • illegally importing it to Cali to get even more of it
  • the lives that could be lost due to stupid users just like alcohol users
  • Teens and children being around it because it is now "legal"
  • the gateway for other drugs to be passed
  • the spreading of the stuff around the nation

that is all
im going to be straight up honest here and say that when i was in high school pot was easier to get then alcohol. and for exporting to other states? of course its going to happen. how do you think us californians get all our fireworks? were good at sneaking things haha part of the problem with society is that people only look down upon it because it is illegal now. you only learn the negative affects on it and not positive things

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that sums it up right there. our forefathers are turning in their graves right now
they were years ago. not just because of this, now dont be stupid

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Well you and Stephen said it for me. I have too seen my friends use it and it is a gateway drug! and i can say 80% of my friends use it too, and know must of them are trying others. I now stay away from that shit.
pretty much everyone i know smokes weed. are we failures at life? no. we all have jobs and go to school. a few of us our in the medical field and its sure not affecting us.

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Why would they consider weed a gateway drug but not alcohol? Everyone of my friends that smoke all drank alcohol before smoking pot. The reason weed is considered a gateway drug is because a lot of the same people that sell it know where to get other stuff. If people dont have to go to shady places to get it, then there is less chance people will be turned onto other drugs. I recently quit smoking pot, and I honestly have nothing against it. I would probably still do it if I knew I wasnt going to get drug tested for a job. Im not addicted, I didnt have withdrawls. If regulated properly then it would be a good thing to legalize it.

Tax the shit out of it like they do with cigarettes and alcohol. A pack of cigarettes only costs about $2.50 before taxes...By the time the government is done, you are paying upwards of $7 a pack in some cases. Cigarettes do nothing but kill people. They dont get you high (some people may feel lightheaded for a few minutes) but they are still legal, why? Because the government doesnt give a shit if you are killing yourself, as long as they can make money off of it.

The only reason it isnt legal is not because it is a "gateway drug" and it "ruins lives." The only reason it isnt legal is because it is a weed, one of the easiest plants to grow in the world, and they cant make money off of it if everyone grows their own.
i just agree with this pretty much.

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im goin yes...look at te city of humbolt it wouldnt be around if it wasnt for it and look at the medical sutff my buddy has cancer and has to smoke because the pain is way to intense
x2. in humbolt county it could possibly even bring thier crime rates down tremendously.

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But my point is it would be more money coming in. For once it would be money coming in instead of going out. If we stay on the path we are on now, there is nowhere to go but down. We need someone more coming in. Im not saying it would "cure" money problems...but you cant deny it would help. Less crowded prisons is another plus.
this state needs lots of money and this is a very simple answer to the questions.

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and its not addictive. but if i owned a company some1 working for me that is a pot head might be a lil slow at doin his job but will still get it done and be able to function however a drunk yea that wouldnt work. and plus alot of people when there high you cant even tell
true, it is not addictive. there is nothing in pot or the thc in it that makes it addictive. ive quit before for jobs and never craved it or needed it.
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Old 10-16-2010, 01:08 PM
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just a note on the forefathers thought, they were smoking the peace pipe long time ago.


and then we stole their land too I guess they were ( indians) too stoned lol
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Old 10-16-2010, 03:40 PM
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Effing stupid.

Just like what dixie_boysles said, might as well pass all the other stupid sh!t like crack and meth.
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Old 10-16-2010, 04:06 PM
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Effing stupid.

Just like what dixie_boysles said, might as well pass all the other stupid sh!t like crack and meth.
please humor me and tell me why its bad? your on the fine line like he is of playing devils advocate. you only know about negative affects it has. do you know the positive affects it has? did you know your tax dollars now are paying for it already?
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Old 10-16-2010, 06:37 PM
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please humor me and tell me why its bad? your on the fine line like he is of playing devils advocate. you only know about negative affects it has. do you know the positive affects it has? did you know your tax dollars now are paying for it already?
Please tell me the ''good things'' about it then.
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Old 10-16-2010, 07:11 PM
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why is tobacco legal and weed is not.

Tell me how many people have died because of the effects weed has on their body and tell me how many people have died smoking cigs.

The only reason it is illegal is because of all the old guys that decided it needed to be illegal because these crazy hippies.

But don't be banning my cigarettes or my beer
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Old 10-16-2010, 07:18 PM
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Here I'll show you

Tobacco 435,000
Poor Diet and Physical Inactivity 365,000
Alcohol 85,000
Microbial Agents 75,000
Toxic Agents 55,000
Motor Vehicle Crashes 26,347
Adverse Reactions to Prescription Drugs 32,000
Suicide 30,622
Incidents Involving Firearms 29,000
Homicide 20,308
Sexual Behaviors 20,000
All Illicit Drug Use, Direct and Indirect 17,000
Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs Such As Aspirin 7,600
Marijuana 0
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Old 10-16-2010, 07:22 PM
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Here I'll show you

Tobacco 435,000
Poor Diet and Physical Inactivity 365,000
Alcohol 85,000
Microbial Agents 75,000
Toxic Agents 55,000
Motor Vehicle Crashes 26,347
Adverse Reactions to Prescription Drugs 32,000
Suicide 30,622
Incidents Involving Firearms 29,000
Homicide 20,308
Sexual Behaviors 20,000
All Illicit Drug Use, Direct and Indirect 17,000
Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs Such As Aspirin 7,600
Marijuana 0
What do you mean by this. Are those #'s the good things?
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Old 10-16-2010, 07:28 PM
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No, that is the number of deaths per year of the study and what caused the death.

Nearly all medicines have toxic, potentially lethal effects. But marijuana is not such a substance. There is no record in the extensive medical literature describing a proven, documented cannabis-induced fatality.
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Old 10-16-2010, 07:34 PM
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I don't know man, smoking marijuana can't be harmless.
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Old 10-16-2010, 07:40 PM
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proven. can't overdose on it and no recorded case EVER of marijuana killing them.

Think about it, of all the people that have smoked weed no one has died from ill effects of it, but almost half a million people a year die from tobacco and it is legal. Really

All that shit is, is old school propaganda like when health teachers would tell kids your dick would fall off if you had sex.

And I have never smoked but it is hard to shit a shitter
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