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Old 10-15-2010, 11:36 AM
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At one time in my life I was a pot smoker, and did a college thesis on the money Georgia was spending on indigent defense cases. I broke it down into the cost of public attorney fees, cost to house inmates, and money earned from said court cases through fines. The year I did this there were 120k misdemeanor charges handed out. The money the tax payers spent on charging these 120k cases was astronomical. On the other hand I broke it down into charging $20/pack of 10, and also a $500/year "tax stamp". The revenue from those two scenarios was roughly 20-30 million dollars more in direct revenue to the state per the same 120k people.
While I no longer smoke at all, I do see the direct effect in revenue to the state that could fund better education in the classroom. Just saying.
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Old 10-15-2010, 11:39 AM
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i dont think it will pass. personally i am in favor of its legalization even though i do not and have not ever partaken in its use. i had a bio teacher who majored in poisons he always said "the dose makes the poison" marijuana use doesnt bother me as long as its not being used irresponsibly and in excess. i have seen many people use this drug and be perfectly alright. however i have seen to many people destroy their lifes with drugs and they always start with pot. but yeah i vote go ahead, but the age regulation and purchasing for minors and what not need to be be very stricly inforced. sorry my spelling sucks im on phone.
I CAN agree with this statement. If it does pass, as long as it is strictly enforced like alcohol, then maybe it will be ok. Im sure the money will help California, but I think the cons outweigh the pros on this subject.

I'll voice my opinion. I know this is a touchy subject and everyone has their personal preference.

Like Stephen said, I have seen way too many people I know use the stuff and let it lead into other drugs. It is a gateway drug, and it's proven. Too many lives have been ruined by drugs. I know personally from firsthand experience in the family.

Im not going to compare it to caffiene, or advil, alcohol, because IMO, it is nowhere near being on the same level.

With that being said, I think there are other ways for Cali to get the money they need instead of legalizing drugs to get it. This country has come too far to fall apart to drugs.

I see it more as a problem than anything. The main problems I see are:
  • illegally exporting it from Cali to other states
  • illegally importing it to Cali to get even more of it
  • the lives that could be lost due to stupid users just like alcohol users
  • Teens and children being around it because it is now "legal"
  • the gateway for other drugs to be passed
  • the spreading of the stuff around the nation

that is all
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Old 10-15-2010, 11:44 AM
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At one time in my life I was a pot smoker, and did a college thesis on the money Georgia was spending on indigent defense cases. I broke it down into the cost of public attorney fees, cost to house inmates, and money earned from said court cases through fines. The year I did this there were 120k misdemeanor charges handed out. The money the tax payers spent on charging these 120k cases was astronomical. On the other hand I broke it down into charging $20/pack of 10, and also a $500/year "tax stamp". The revenue from those two scenarios was roughly 20-30 million dollars more in direct revenue to the state per the same 120k people.
While I no longer smoke at all, I do see the direct effect in revenue to the state that could fund better education in the classroom. Just saying.
So was the North Carolina Lottery, but has it helped schools, no. There is for the most part hiring freezes and layoffs in the teaching sector of our state. Our "North Carolina Education Lottery" has done nothing in my eyes.

I think this would be no different. These always seem like good ideas on paper, but for some odd reason, the money never goes where is is supposed to go
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Old 10-15-2010, 11:45 AM
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Old 10-15-2010, 11:46 AM
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why your at it, just pass crack, meth, and ecstasy, im sure they will make plenty of money too. A drug is a drug no matter which way you put it. I dont care for the "it comes from the Earth" bullcrap, its a drug which inhibits the senses.
So does BEER or any other alcohol it is legal . If people who ACTUALLY use it for a pain med / chronic condition sure i am for it.
I have seen too many people suffer from cancers and a toke would mello them out hell yeah, then toke away my friend
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Old 10-15-2010, 11:51 AM
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that sums it up right there. our forefathers are turning in their graves right now
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Old 10-15-2010, 11:52 AM
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The sad thing about this bill is that, there is so many manufactured drugs out there that we totally ignore. If we call ourselves "The Land of The Free", then we should live up to that. There is nothing out there that states that we have to do drugs of any kind. It is your choice to what you want to, now if you decide to do the drug, like driving, do it with responsibilty. Drugs have several different side effects on people, for some it'll make them eat you out of a house and home, for some it actually helps concentrate and become more focus. I once was a Pot/weed/Cali Confidential user, in high school this was the only drug that helped me pass test, it wasnt that horrible ADD medicine that did, it was the good ole naturally harvested potonix! These bills we debate about most of time are stupid and usually end up coming about because someone wants to make their pocket fatter. Oh I think I am just going to stop there, I can go on for eons about this topic...
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Old 10-15-2010, 11:59 AM
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I CAN agree with this statement. If it does pass, as long as it is strictly enforced like alcohol, then maybe it will be ok. Im sure the money will help California, but I think the cons outweigh the pros on this subject.

I'll voice my opinion. I know this is a touchy subject and everyone has their personal preference.

Like Stephen said, I have seen way too many people I know use the stuff and let it lead into other drugs. It is a gateway drug, and it's proven. Too many lives have been ruined by drugs. I know personally from firsthand experience in the family.

Im not going to compare it to caffiene, or advil, alcohol, because IMO, it is nowhere near being on the same level.


I see it more as a problem than anything. The main problems I see are:
  • illegally exporting it from Cali to other states
  • illegally importing it to Cali to get even more of it
  • the lives that could be lost due to stupid users just like alcohol users
  • Teens and children being around it because it is now "legal"
  • the gateway for other drugs to be passed
  • the spreading of the stuff around the nation

that is all

Well you and Stephen said it for me. I have too seen my friends use it and it is a gateway drug! and i can say 80% of my friends use it too, and know must of them are trying others. I now stay away from that shit.
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Old 10-15-2010, 01:00 PM
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So was the North Carolina Lottery, but has it helped schools, no. There is for the most part hiring freezes and layoffs in the teaching sector of our state. Our "North Carolina Education Lottery" has done nothing in my eyes.

I think this would be no different. These always seem like good ideas on paper, but for some odd reason, the money never goes where is is supposed to go
I believe the teachers salary come out of the states actual tax funds and the lottery is for the actual schools, like books and stuff like that. At least thats how the state of GA and Illinois do it.
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Old 10-15-2010, 08:54 PM
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Well you and Stephen said it for me. I have too seen my friends use it and it is a gateway drug! and i can say 80% of my friends use it too, and know must of them are trying others. I now stay away from that shit.
i just want to clarify im pro legalization.
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Old 10-15-2010, 09:43 PM
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it's all about the revenue. see where it says " hundreds of millions of dollars" on the above ballot. CA. needs a bailout and that could be it.
AZ has it on the ballot too, reports say it is in favor by 10-1 might just pass here
yet az has no tolerance laws, and you get caught with less than even a gram you go to jail....i think somebody is full of shit.
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Old 10-15-2010, 10:31 PM
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Why would they consider weed a gateway drug but not alcohol? Everyone of my friends that smoke all drank alcohol before smoking pot. The reason weed is considered a gateway drug is because a lot of the same people that sell it know where to get other stuff. If people dont have to go to shady places to get it, then there is less chance people will be turned onto other drugs. I recently quit smoking pot, and I honestly have nothing against it. I would probably still do it if I knew I wasnt going to get drug tested for a job. Im not addicted, I didnt have withdrawls. If regulated properly then it would be a good thing to legalize it.

Tax the shit out of it like they do with cigarettes and alcohol. A pack of cigarettes only costs about $2.50 before taxes...By the time the government is done, you are paying upwards of $7 a pack in some cases. Cigarettes do nothing but kill people. They dont get you high (some people may feel lightheaded for a few minutes) but they are still legal, why? Because the government doesnt give a shit if you are killing yourself, as long as they can make money off of it.

The only reason it isnt legal is not because it is a "gateway drug" and it "ruins lives." The only reason it isnt legal is because it is a weed, one of the easiest plants to grow in the world, and they cant make money off of it if everyone grows their own.
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Old 10-15-2010, 11:18 PM
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1)Problem is there is no medical use for marijuana that isn't covered by a legal drug choice.

2) Lovely people who know more about chemicals than you or anyone on this forum have been able to put the chemical that is in marijuana into pill form. However this does not have the "high" effect so ofcourse it didn't do well.

3) The long argued "tax it" and the government will make money. Name anything the government has "made money" on...government is not in the business of making money, they are in the business of spending money. Let's not forget the government will also have to spend money to hire/train even MORE DEA agents or open a new arm of government to regulate this new law, costing more money.

I find it funny that people are so willing to be "pro pot" yet want to make it a crime to sell a happy meal lol
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Old 10-16-2010, 02:14 AM
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im goin yes...look at te city of humbolt it wouldnt be around if it wasnt for it and look at the medical sutff my buddy has cancer and has to smoke because the pain is way to intense
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Old 10-16-2010, 03:14 AM
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Name anything the government has "made money" on
Tobacco
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfa....cfm?Docid=403

Alcohol
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfa....cfm?Docid=399

Here is a chart that breaks down how much each state's government makes from each gallon of gas, each pack of cigarettes etc. by taxing it.
http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/245.html


Just because our government spends more money than it makes (like a teenage girl with daddy's credit card)...It makes a lot of money.
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