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Old 09-29-2011, 08:39 PM
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Possible alternative method to heat headlight assemblies to do headlight mod

Using the oven to heat the headlight assemblies that could melt the units seems risky to me. Instead, what if hot water was used to heat the plastic to soften the glue? Care would have to be taken to not scald or injure, making sure that there is no direct contact with the water. It would work something like this:

1. Loop and tie a cord between the bulb entry holes at the back so that the headlight assembly can be handled while suspended from the line.

2. Boil a sinkful of water using a large container(s) on the stove. (We have a huge lobster boiling pot!)

3. Fill up one side of the kitchen sink with boiling water. Once it is off boil the water temperature will fall below 212 degrees F.

4. Use a thermometer to measure and wait until the temperature falls to +or- 200 F.

5. Holding the assembly by the cord loop, use cloth covered tongs (or wooden spoons) to sink and keep the unit submerged for 10 minutes, or however long it takes for the glue to sufficiently soften.

4. If necessary, more hot water can be added to the other side of the sink and the assembly moved, bringing the temperature back up to near boiling. while emptying the water in the side that cooled off.

5. Remove the unit by the cord and turn upside down so all water runs out.

6. Use towels to hold the plastic while using a large flat screwdriver, or other device, to carefully pry the pieces apart.

7. If more heat or time needed, repeat the process going from side to side with additional hot water.

8. Follow the rest of the original headlight mod directions until complete.

Quite likely both headlight assemblies could fit in the sink at the same time, thereby reducing the time required to do the procedures. It may be possible to just have a shallow amount of water in the sink, and simply fill up the assembly pouring the water through the bulb holes. That way the heat would be applied to both inside and outside while minimum water would be necessary. In either case, care must be taken not to scratch the lens on the sink, the other assembly if both are done at once, or the instruments used. A towel should line the bottom of the sink to reduce the risk of scratching, although it would tend to float and perhaps just get in the way..

I have not done this yet, but if no one has any objection as to why it would not work, I will give it a go tomorrow.

Please comment and tell me what you think before I go ahead and try it. Maybe there is something I am not thinking about that would prohibit this method. Thanks in advance.

Stephen

Edit: Water should work, but don't bother. Use the oven instead as it is easy as can be.
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Old 09-30-2011, 01:51 AM
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I have done many headlights in the oven if you keep the oven at the temp recommended. There will be no problems melting the headlights.

Your putting way more work then there needs to be into it. I can not see the water working at all. One because the water is gonna cool off you would need it to stay at a high temp. So your constantly gonna have to have water boiling.
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Old 09-30-2011, 06:26 AM
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I have done many headlights in the oven if you keep the oven at the temp recommended. There will be no problems melting the headlights.

Your putting way more work then there needs to be into it. I can not see the water working at all. One because the water is gonna cool off you would need it to stay at a high temp. So your constantly gonna have to have water boiling.
Huh?

Thanks for taking the time to carefully consider the proposition.

So, does that mean you can't think of a solid reason why it would harm the unit? It's hard to believe that you cannot see how water would work to heat the plastic and soften the glue? You must be just kidding right? Water is the very best conducter of heat, far better, faster and much more efficiently than air. A boiled potato cooks far faster than a baked one. It will work alright as the thermal science is simple and a bit on the duh side. It should be quite fast and entirely controllable, much safer than cooking plastic in an oven, and impossible to warp, melt or otherwise damage anything if an oven runs hot. More work? Maybe just a wee bit, but not much, but a whole lot safer.

Mykhael, I appreciate all the work you have done to develop and explain this modification, especially all the help you have given others. This alternative heating method is not intended to upset the apple cart, or in someway compete with you, but just to suggest a simpler, safer and less hazardous way of accomplishing the same end. I asked if there was any reason why it would not work. Rapid thermal transfer with water is not in doubt. Is there any possible reason that hot water might harm the assembly? If not, time to get it done. No big deal.

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Old 09-30-2011, 06:44 AM
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Wow what a huge waste of time and effort. Baking in the oven is proven and will not damage anything if you aren't an idiot. You wont get water hotter than 212. And it may take more than 212. If you want to do it that way (or try anyway), knock yourself out. The rest of us will be done twice as fast with better results.

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Old 09-30-2011, 07:01 AM
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Wow what a huge waste of time and effort. Baking in the oven is proven and will not damage anything if you aren't an idiot. You wont get water hotter than 212. And it may take more than 212. If you want to do it that way (or try anyway), knock yourself out. The rest of us will be done twice as fast with better results.

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Old 09-30-2011, 07:14 AM
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Old 09-30-2011, 07:20 AM
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Im not mad because u think you have a better way. I just don't believe it would ever work. Prove us wrong though.

I have tried a hair dryer with no results. I have used a hair dryer with the corners with good results.
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Old 09-30-2011, 07:22 AM
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it may be possible. But I would stick to the oven. I have done 3 sets now, including the corners, in the oven at 275. Nothing melted/broken. Also, you have to keep putting them in the oven to keep heating the glue up for easy removal once the lenses are off. And, time is money!
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Old 09-30-2011, 08:32 AM
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Have any of you actually tried doing it with a set of brand new aftermarket lamps out of the box that have never seen the light of day? Its damn near impossible.

Pooleo IDK how you got away with 275. I had mine at 215 and did several sessions, 15 minutes each with breaks in between, so as to not overstress the lens, and it STILL slightly melted one of them. And the glue still wouldnt soften up enough to separate them with any kind of ease. And you need ease to not fuck up the edge of the housings when you pry with the screwdriver. I chipped pieces off my housings and put cracks in them all the way around, and all I have to show for it is a warped lens. And one piece of the housing ended up breaking off with the lens, and is still bonded to it. You think I want to stick that back in the oven and heat it enough to remove it? I'll end up making putty out the lens before that happens.

STL you really should add something to the writeup saying this works best on older lamps or if you do try this on brand new lamps, do it at your own risk because there's far greater potential to wreck them.



I also remember years ago doing a set of corners at about 225 degrees and they melted in no time. How the FUCKK do you do 275 and get away with it????

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Have any of you actually tried doing it with a set of brand new aftermarket lamps out of the box that have never seen the light of day? Its damn near impossible.

Pooleo IDK how you got away with 275. I had mine at 215 and did several sessions, 15 minutes each with breaks in between, so as to not overstress the lens, and it STILL slightly melted one of them. And the glue still wouldnt soften up enough to separate them with any kind of ease. And you need ease to not fuck up the edge of the housings when you pry with the screwdriver. I chipped pieces off my housings and put cracks in them all the way around, and all I have to show for it is a warped lens. And one piece of the housing ended up breaking off with the lens, and is still bonded to it. You think I want to stick that back in the oven and heat it enough to remove it? I'll end up making putty out the lens before that happens.

STL you really should add something to the writeup saying this works best on older lamps or if you do try this on brand new lamps, do it at your own risk because there's far greater potential to wreck them.



I also remember years ago doing a set of corners at about 225 degrees and they melted in no time. How the FUCKK do you do 275 and get away with it????


I can slightly agree with you on this for one small part and that part is when it's near impossible to open aftermarket heads. But since May of this year, I have purchased two new aftermarket sets of headlights for my 02 model and thought the worse.

Preheated the oven to around 245-255 until it was good and ready. Placed one headlight in and I set the timer for 16 minutes. Took it out and tried to work the lenses all around just enough and then placed it back in for another 6-7 minutes. Then after that I took it out for the second time and the lens came off so easily!

Did the same process with the other headlight and within less of an hour, both headlights are done and no warping or cracked lens involved. So yeah they're hard to do but what Jason said "time is money" is 100% true. Take your time and you'll be saving a lot of money! Not everyone can afford OEM headlights that are not sold on ebay or anything so we so we do the next best thing which is aftermarket.

Just putting my two cents out there.
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Have any of you actually tried doing it with a set of brand new aftermarket lamps out of the box that have never seen the light of day? Its damn near impossible.

STL you really should add something to the writeup saying this works best on older lamps or if you do try this on brand new lamps, do it at your own risk because there's far greater potential to wreck them.



I have done a set of 2011 headlights yes they were harder. I started at 225 and by the time I was done I was up to 300. It took about 4 hours each one with breaks in between. I would set them to cool for a hour.

Corners which were new also 5 minutes and they fell apart.



All these how to articles are to at your own risk. I never knew the newer ones were gonna be harder but I took my time doing it.
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Old 09-30-2011, 11:51 AM
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LOLOL

I started to get the water ready, and said, to heck with this nonsense and put them in the oven instead. 15 minutes each at 200F did it, and the sidelights in about 10 minutes.

Easy as can be. I found that using a pie knife worked great as it has more of a leverage without damaging the lens.

I have masked and just finishd painting flat black. Just letting them sit a spell before I take off the masking tape. Thanks for the help.

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Have any of you actually tried doing it with a set of brand new aftermarket lamps out of the box that have never seen the light of day? Its damn near impossible.

Pooleo IDK how you got away with 275. I had mine at 215 and did several sessions, 15 minutes each with breaks in between, so as to not overstress the lens, and it STILL slightly melted one of them. And the glue still wouldnt soften up enough to separate them with any kind of ease. And you need ease to not fuck up the edge of the housings when you pry with the screwdriver. I chipped pieces off my housings and put cracks in them all the way around, and all I have to show for it is a warped lens. And one piece of the housing ended up breaking off with the lens, and is still bonded to it. You think I want to stick that back in the oven and heat it enough to remove it? I'll end up making putty out the lens before that happens.

STL you really should add something to the writeup saying this works best on older lamps or if you do try this on brand new lamps, do it at your own risk because there's far greater potential to wreck them.



I also remember years ago doing a set of corners at about 225 degrees and they melted in no time. How the FUCKK do you do 275 and get away with it????
I wonder if your climate has anything to do with it

Or..!!! since ovens are known to the state of california to cause cancer, maybe they have some type of limiter on them ! BAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA
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LOLOL

I started to get the water ready, and said, to heck with this nonsense and put them in the oven instead. 15 minutes each at 200F did it, and the sidelights in about 10 minutes.

Easy as can be. I found that using a pie knife worked great as it has more of a leverage without damaging the lens.

I have masked and just finishd painting flat black. Just letting them sit a spell before I take off the masking tape. Thanks for the help.

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Awesome!!!!

Glad to see you were able to do it and not mess anything up.

All corners are supper easy to take apart. Post up some pictures in the snapshot section when finished.
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i melted a set of 06+ corners in my oven, so CA ones can definitely get hot enough lol
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