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Old 06-15-2018, 09:59 PM
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Can i take a drill bit that is bigger than the small hole that is scorching red hot and make the hole bigger that way without taking crap apart instead of drilling and taking crap apart??
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Old 09-06-2020, 09:21 AM
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I have a 1998 FOrd Ranger 2 door base model. I have had water collecting on both driver side and passenger side floor after rains. I decided I would address the issue when I did some sound dampening insulation work. So this summer I got everything out seat/seat belts ( pain in the butt removing rusted T55 bolts)/carpeting/headliner etc. Put in the insulation (Noico 80mil sheets). Before I put back the rest of the stuff I wanted to address the water coming in.
In the 1998 Ford ranger on the firewall there are only two hatches to get to the area under the cowl. One is pretty much dead center and the other is on the driver side. I opened them both up 3 bolts hold them up which take a 5.5mm socket, driver side hatch takes a bit to get out as you remove the fusebox and have to work to get to the bottom bolt.
Got them out. cleaned out a lot of crap, ran water through and it took a while but it got cleaned out. The passenger side is another story, there is no hatch to open, I ran the hose on through the center hatch and got lot of the crap out but it still isn't draining fully and When I test to see if there is water coming in it fails the test and water is coming in not in large quantities but enough to see from behind the glove compartment.
I am not sure what I do next? Do I get a new windshield put and hope the seal was/is the culprit or is it something else.
I am hoping I can get the experts to chime in and help out. Thank you in advance.
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Old 09-08-2020, 10:47 AM
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Hi Brooklyn Ranger,

I just did the following with the guy who installed my windshield this weekend. We determined it was not the new windshield leaking.

Spray a bunch of foamy glass cleaner on the bottom and top corners of the windshield (on the outside) where you think the leak may be coming from.....Blast into those corners from the inside with compressed air....You would see the foam spray out of the way if there was a leak.

Bad news: my leak is coming from somewhere else. Despite my cowls being super clean. I THINK it may be overflowing into the heating/AC cold air intake area inside the cowls...so only during HEAVY rain. But I have yet to confirm.

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Old 09-10-2020, 08:24 PM
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Got them out. cleaned out a lot of crap, ran water through and it took a while but it got cleaned out. The passenger side is another story, there is no hatch to open, I ran the hose on through the center hatch and got lot of the crap out but it still isn't draining fully and When I test to see if there is water coming in it fails the test and water is coming in not in large quantities but enough to see from behind the glove compartment.

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Did you get any pictures of it? I have a '93 that sat under trees for a year so I am going to have to do some of this myself. I definitely have water coming in through the rear slider, as it doesn't close all the way. Decided today to just get the damn thing replaced by one of the auto glass places. I could save $150 if I did it myself, but I know my limitations, and I do NOT want water in the cab. I already have a funky mold issue that I need to finish up. I think I will end up replacing all of the carpet. Good luck sorting it out!
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Old 09-14-2020, 04:06 AM
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Thanks RangerPhil.
I will take some pictures and post them this weekend. Here is an update. Since cleaning inside the cowl and experiencing water still coming in. I decided I would just caulk the space between the windshield and the cowl around the corners and also around the antenna. After doing that I tested to see if water still flowed in. There isn't any coming in now.
I have scheduled for Safelite to replace the windshield ( my insurance covers it, it will be the first time in 22 years). When the windshield person comes this Friday, I will hope my simple persuasion will help in making me help out with this issue. Maybe he/she can remove the windshield and put in new sealant. I shall also run this foam test as well.
I surely will take pictures and share it.
As always sincere thanks for all the help I get.
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Old 10-17-2020, 08:22 PM
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This is going to be possibly a little bit lengthy but want to post it to help others possibly in my similar situation to where the easy to solve leaks don't actually solve your leak. While this is very very helpful, it is the end of easy to solve water intrusion problems.


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In 2017 when doing a transmission + clutch swap, I discovered soggy jute under my 2001's passenger front floor. Soggy enough that the cab mount cover was covered in mold and the paint on the passenger sound deader flaked away. Removed floor and ran without it until early this summer when I decided I was sick of not having a whole interior (lol) and it was now time to actually fix the water leak.

Initial steps of diag were already done....puddles can build up if parked downhill and backwards and I can replicate it with a hose. Hoping it was fixible from the outside, I removed the passenger fender. Removed the flap shown in OP and totally cleaned out the cowl drain at least on the pass side...both sides drained nicely but there still was stuff at the pass drain. Leak still intruded into cabin. There was a suspect hole that will come into play later.

Determined it was coming in from the bottom corner windshield area because I could see it dripping down from that area...and since our cowls are welded on, this means the fix must be done from the inside which means dash pull to further diagnose specifically where it is coming from. Removed the dash assembly months later over about 3 days after work in the dark and Joe Rogan, cursed hidden heater box hardware and no good write-up's/videos, sat dash on saw horses inside, noticed the antenna grommet was pulled out of the firewall but chalked it up to most likely while removing the dash assembly, I did miss the clips holding it to the dash frame and I likely yanked it out the firewall by accident via pulling on dash. Began the hose laced in the steps of a ladder in a shower pattern again, got inside, replicated it. Got up close and personal with suspect hole I mentioned above, flat out fire hose leak into the cabin. Turns out the area it was coming in was in fact lacking of seam sealer and there was a gap between the panels. Driver side had good sealer coverage between the pillar and the firewall join/overlap but not the passenger side.

I thoroughly cleaned the area with a wax and grease remover then acetone and used 3M 08367 black seam sealer in a calking gun tool, massaging it as it started to set up. 24 hr fully cure time so subsequent tests were always done the next night. Major leak cured by filling the void lacking seam sealer and the suspect hole on the outside cowl...did find some small leaks or areas where the stock sealer either cracked or looked suspect so I might have gone a little crazy on the sealer in certain areas. Plus I wanted to get my $30 worth out of this tube. lol.

Driver side had a small leak somewhere, discovered when I pulled the floor and the years of no floor driving....we would call it a seep at the dealership: wet but no dripping. We call visual dripping a leak. It was hard to fully diagnose because the two large connectors between engine bay and inside was fully open, big arse hole in the firewall, but did find a couple of h2o intrusion squawks. Under the cowl, ebrake grommet, somewhere else that I can't remember.

After being happy with the about 7 days of testing after sealer application/sealer cure time and installation of the new heater core because I'm already here, dash went back in very very quickly. In fact, that same night I ran two flushes of the cooling system. Ended up with no extra screws. lol. Following day she was a driver again. Hardcore rain came during the swap and I had a cover over the truck but thus far two on-again/off-again rainy days have shown no water intrusion at this time. Next step after some more confirmation is replace the sound deadener and expand it and toss the floor back in her!

Hope this helped some folks. Below is a little photo gallery if I can figure out attachments. ugh.
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Old 10-17-2020, 08:24 PM
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Old 10-18-2020, 06:25 PM
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Hope this helped some folks. Below is a little photo gallery if I can figure out attachments. ugh.
Wow, and thanks. I want to confirm that pictures 2 & 4 in the first set of photos shows the fender removed. I think it does as there is a photo in the second post that shows the fender removed. I have to make a decision with my '93 as if I am really going to hold onto it, I need to start getting serious about some of the nitty gritty. The front windshield was scheduled for replacement on Friday and the Gerber guy said there was rust. I don't see it, but I am not a pro, either. And if I am serious about it, I am going to redo the interior with new seats, and I might as well add sound dampening and seal any extra holes.
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Old 10-19-2020, 12:56 AM
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Wow, and thanks. I want to confirm that pictures 2 & 4 in the first set of photos shows the fender removed. I think it does as there is a photo in the second post that shows the fender removed. I have to make a decision with my '93 as if I am really going to hold onto it, I need to start getting serious about some of the nitty gritty. The front windshield was scheduled for replacement on Friday and the Gerber guy said there was rust. I don't see it, but I am not a pro, either. And if I am serious about it, I am going to redo the interior with new seats, and I might as well add sound dampening and seal any extra holes.
Yes, fender is removed in all the photos actually.

You're up for quite a task if you do in fact have rust in these areas. They're going to be difficult to sheet metal repair and even if just covered up to take care of a leak, the rust is still going to continue to grow and who knows what lies under what's visible...like say under the fender or the base of the cowl, under the cowl. I'm thankful I'm not in one of those states with salt and terrible rust problems. Most scrap long before there's rotted cab top sides.

Gotta decision to make.... Pull the fender and look deeper. Or my favorite solution, replace the rig with something with OBDII and from out west. lol.
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Old 10-19-2020, 06:55 AM
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Thank you for this - it's helpful to see the firewall without the dash!

In my situation, I believe the sealer-foam around the cold air intake "tower" for the AC in the cowl is leaking somewhere. I suppose it could be the antenna hole as well, but I didn't look/see that. Question: is the antenna hole at the base of the cowl or on the cowl wall?

To access the cowl, I pulled my computer unit out, which is above the heater core. I then decided to glue/caulk a sheet metal wall into place between the intake and computer. I left about 1" open at the top for air. I'm hoping that for most rains, water will be directed to the driver's side drain, which doesn't seem to be leaking. Almost the entire cowl is slanted to drain to the drivers side, up until that intake, so hopefully this works well enough. I will update with my results.

My second thought was to remove the fender, cut a whole in the metal wall behind it so I can get my hands in there to re-seal around the intake.

Wishing now that I took some pics!
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