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Old 11-23-2010, 09:38 AM
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Default Performance mods', forced induction, help?

I'm brand new to the Ford Ranger family. I've had Rangers in my family for years but...at the time was never old enough to drive so, this is the first time being able to get into one. I recently purchased a 2001 Ford Ranger two door 2WD short bed with a 3.0L and I had quite a few questions to get answered before I start doing anything major than what's already been done.

I've already added a CAI from Spectre and I do plan in the next week or two to install a custom catback exhaust and maybe removing one of the cats (the previous owner obviously removed the original cats and replaced them with aftermarket ones. They installed them one after another way after the ypipe and before the muffler)?

One question I have is one kind of gains should I see in HP and torque after installing the CAI, 2.5/3.0IN dual exhaust, headers and maybe a Flashpaq tune?

Another is more of a curiousity sort of thing but I was wondering if there's anyone that could suggest or give advice on somehow mounting a supercharger from a 3.8 Thunderbird onto my 3.0. I've done forced induction builds before...once a Lebaron GST. So I have the basics. But I just wanted to know the history, the build quality of the motor, what kind of PSI could I hit before I start seeing rods and heads trying to hang out with the Indianapolis to Miami flight. I've done a little research and it seems that the 3.0 is a PITA (Pain in the...you get the point) to work on as far as forced induction goes.

I have quite a few other ideas at work in my mind but those are really the only two I'm seriously thinking about right now. The help would be great and by the way, Happy Thanksgiving all!
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Old 11-23-2010, 09:40 AM
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ditch the 3.0......buy a V8 and do a swap...
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Old 11-24-2010, 09:37 AM
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I really want to do a v8 swap but I figured going that route would be a lot more fabrication intensive than just sticking with what I have. If I do do a v8 swap I want to swap to either the intec 4.6 or the cobra 4.6-n/a or s/c. But if I do go the 5.0 rooute does anyone have an idea of the price for the swap as well as an estimated build time and step by step instructions or tips and estimated hp.
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Old 11-24-2010, 10:03 AM
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flashpaq maybe a little bit depending on the tune the rest of it none maybe a few ponies here and there and you wasted your money on the CAI.
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Old 11-24-2010, 08:52 PM
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I got the CAI for free off a friend really. It did add a little bit of grunt to the motor and I've managed to get 3MPG more, so not completely. And he bought it off Craigslist for 80 bucks lol.

I did talk to a guy close by though that had a 4.0 from an '03-'04 Ranger XLT for sale for about 300 dollars. The truck is being parted out due to the frame being all jacked up from an accident. I heard the motor run and he said that the transmission still shifts fine but doesn't know if it'll go since he obviously can't drive it. Was curious if anyone had an idea of what it takes to swap a 3.0 to a 4.0
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Old 11-24-2010, 10:37 PM
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You are not going to get that much of a power benefit by swapping a 4.0 in... a CAI is going to get you no gain at all, the stock one works as it is supposed to.

You aren't going to gain any performance with an exhaust...

Think of it this way... trying to supe up a 3.0 is just like trying to fit a 14ft tall semi under a 12ft tall bridge... pointless.

Not trying to be negative, but the 3.0 is a complete dog to start with, and most of the mods you have listed won't get you anywhere. I have no knowledge on how to do a V8 swap, however, if you want power/performance, you will want to skip modding the 3.0 and go straight to a V8...
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Old 11-25-2010, 11:20 AM
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I guess you have a point. I was just trying to avoid having all the downtime of doing a V8 swap because I was hoping to have the truck ready to go by summer. It's almost the same theory of back when I had a '91 S-10 4X4 two door short bed with the 4.3. All the bolt ons in the world weren't going to let me escape the fact that the motor was crap. Kind of makes me wonder why Ford ever designed this motor to begin with. After doing some research this past week I realized that this motor is just a big liter hunk of junk. I think I can go ahead and purchase either my buddies left over 302 with a forged crank, and aluminum heads that he has at his shop, or maybe doing some looking around for a 4.6. I like the 302, but I think I would rather stick to the 281 due to it having EFI (I believe it's multiport to be exact) and it being lighter, smaller and having more power than the 302 SB. I plan on starting the build in Jan', so I have some time to think about a gameplan.
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Old 11-25-2010, 03:42 PM
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The 3.0 is not junk, it is nearly as durable as a 5.9 cummins, and I think that is one of the main benefits of it...

However, it is not any good for power, it is essentially a grandpa's truck that they put a small V6 in because it made people think it would have more power than a 4 banger... it may, but it sure doesn't show it.
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Old 11-25-2010, 03:50 PM
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The 3.0 is not junk, it is nearly as durable as a 5.9 cummins, and I think that is one of the main benefits of it...

However, it is not any good for power, it is essentially a grandpa's truck that they put a small V6 in because it made people think it would have more power than a 4 banger... it may, but it sure doesn't show it.
I have the new 2.3DOHC and a OHV 3.0 and I like both motors. Don't know why you guys put the 3.0 down so often. Pushrod motors are really easy to work on.
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Old 11-25-2010, 07:31 PM
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It's mostly for the fact that the 3.0 is a high compression, low output, big liter V6 that people dog it so much. My brother and several other mechanics I know have several years in the business and they routinely tell me that the 3.0 is a great engine as far as dependability goes. But from the research I've done, I think that the reason why people don't like it, is because to make it worth anything takes a far bit more amount of money than just ''cheating'' (for lack of a better word) and swapping in a V8.

I myself really like the idea of a 4.6 or 5.0, but I would really like to stick with the 3.0. Because maybe it'll take one person to do the...not smart thing and build up a 3.0 to get a little more respect from the nay-sayers. And I've done V8 swaps before, and from past experience from doing all the fabrication, the downtime just really isn't worth it. A lot of fabricating, a lot of custom tuning, dyno testing and just headaches..when I could simply take the 3.0, put some bolt ons for the first stage of the build, and if in due time I get more serious, I can always just lower the compression, forge the internals, and force induction. I guess I was just looking for advice on how to go about building up a 3.0 and was just pondering the idea of doing a V8 swap. But I just don't want that extra weight, the downtime, and the headache of trying to do something Ford should of done
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Old 11-25-2010, 08:23 PM
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well if your serious about 3.0 performance, here's the only website that will offer performance other than tunes and exhaust upgrades, but it can get a bit pricey. http://www.moranav6racing.com/catego...?CategoryID=36
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Old 11-26-2010, 03:38 PM
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Thanks. I actually will probably go through that site to get their 3.0 S/C adapter plate to fit the m90 on it. Then I'll just go to a salvage yard my friend works for and see if I can get a junk 3.0 to fab everything up on over the winter. Then when spring comes around, or at least a week or two of good weather I can just bolt and tune. I was really thinking about porting the heads to lower the compression, but I don't really know how useful that would be.
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Old 11-26-2010, 03:56 PM
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I feel that intake and exhaust do help. Motors are so choked back its stupid. Try running 3 miles when you got the flu and you cant breath. Same as the motor, it can't breath.

Now maybe a CAI is pointless, but a free flow intake has got to be better than stock.

Opening up the air intake to draw air (not necassarily more, but less restrictive) will be better because the motor will not work as hard.

Would you rather suck air thru a straw or a pipe? Yes, you will still get the same amount of air, but you will work much harder to get that air.

Same for the exhaust, open it up. Take out the cats bigger pipe. Then the motor can exhale easier/quicker.

I do think it is pointless to do one and not the other. If you make it breath better than make it exhale better. More in, more out.

I have a free flow exhaust on my truck and I know for a fact that it help over stock setup.
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Old 11-26-2010, 09:48 PM
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Just like any other motor, you look at a motor like a compressor. To take more in, you have to have a way of pushing it out.

I actually just had the dual exhaust installed today, and I will admit that between the first week of owning the truck bone stock, and now, the combination of the intake and exhaust makes the bum-dyno tell me that there's definately an improvement. I went on the highway for the first time since the first week of owning it, and no-longer did I have to mash the throttle and make the RPM's shoot near the readline just to go up a slight hill, and passing power is definately improved. I think in a couple weeks I'm going to go ahead and order the adapter plate from MoranaV6 so I have at least one part here and ready to go, then next month I'll go ahead and find bigger injectors, innercooler, and basically all the odds and ins so by Jan', when I get some time off work and I get my sign on bonus from the Army (4 years later, two deployments and I finally get it??????>.<'') I'll get it started. Lol, it's going to be a goofy looking sleeper...base model XL with the Factory plain Jane white paint and the only extra would be the Limited slip in the back
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Old 11-26-2010, 10:00 PM
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It's mostly for the fact that the 3.0 is a high compression, low output, big liter V6 that people dog it so much....
Anything that is tuned for 87 octane from the factory isn't high compression.

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I feel that intake and exhaust do help. Motors are so choked back its stupid. Try running 3 miles when you got the flu and you cant breath. Same as the motor, it can't breath.

Now maybe a CAI is pointless, but a free flow intake has got to be better than stock.

Opening up the air intake to draw air (not necassarily more, but less restrictive) will be better because the motor will not work as hard.

Would you rather suck air thru a straw or a pipe? Yes, you will still get the same amount of air, but you will work much harder to get that air.

Same for the exhaust, open it up. Take out the cats bigger pipe. Then the motor can exhale easier/quicker.

I do think it is pointless to do one and not the other. If you make it breath better than make it exhale better. More in, more out.

I have a free flow exhaust on my truck and I know for a fact that it help over stock setup.
The head itself is the restriction, not the intake or the exhaust.

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...the bum-dyno tell me that there's definately an improvement.....
I personally can't even feel 50 horsepower after I've tuned it and measured it. I only notice power gains on my personal car at very high speeds (+100) - and I have nearly 800.

If I had a dime for every car I've tuned and proved "yeah - your exhaust and intake gave you no power what-so-ever" when they said "Oh - it feels faster I'm sure of it" - I'd be rich.
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