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Old 09-01-2010, 02:43 PM
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You live in West Virginia. Up until 4 months ago, I lived in New England for the last 28 years. I got my drivers license in an ice storm. Pretty sure I can speak accurately on ABS handling in snow. You're still wrong.
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Old 09-01-2010, 03:51 PM
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you have never driven a car without ABS have you?
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Old 09-01-2010, 05:06 PM
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Braking requires more than brake liner having a death grip on the rotors. It also requires traction.
What do you do when driving a car without ABS brakes in a panic stop? Pump the brakes to allow the wheels to rotate which reestablishes traction and allows for steering control. Well that what ABS does, only much faster, more precisely, and automatically.

The first ABS systems had one sensor that monitored the rearend ring gear so I believe all wheels followed the condition of the rear wheels.
Sounds like you were driving a vehicle like this crowdplezer. But it isn't a more dangerous system. It only prevents loss of traction.

Now the standard is four wheel independent ABS.
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you have never driven a car without ABS have you?
Hahaha. My first vehicle, you know the one I started driving in an ice storm, was an '84 Ranger with no ABS. My second was a '91 with rear ABS. My current is an '03 with 4wabs Nice try.

You have absolutely no concept of braking action and traction.
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Old 09-01-2010, 06:27 PM
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[quote=crowdpleazer;188449][QUOTE=mickblock;143339]Why does every one hate ABS and think it's trying to kill them?
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ABS IMO is dangerous for people who know how to drive. those who cant it doesnt matter cuz theyre gonna wreck anyway. if 1 or 2 wheels are on a slick surface (ex ice) and the rest have good traction, then your chances of stopping are greatly reduced. the system doesnt know that and wont allow you to put enough braking power to the wheels that have good traction to get you stopped.

another way the manufacturers are trying to make cars/trucks easier to drive for those who dont understand what a car is and how to drive it. but it makes it harder and less safe for us who know how to get a vehicle stopped even if were in 5 feet of snow, 80 mph, and sideways.... lol
'Tis true. Those who know how to drive (formal training) know that ABS does not give you as much braking power as "THRESHOLD" braking does. Threshold braking is only possible on a vehicle w/o ABS or with ABS turned off (fuse taken out)

Locking the brakes up is NOT the fastest way to stop. You do not want your wheels locked up. I wheel that is locked up is a wheel you can't do anything with. You don't want "Murphy" driving your truck. That's who drives when wheels are locked up or if you're sideways.
Brakes are too important and if you're on here asking questions you may not have the know-how to work on them.. Get them done my someone who knows what they're doing. Sure, get an idea here, but please just let someone else do the work. Make them liable for what may happen.
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Old 09-01-2010, 06:37 PM
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Those who know how to drive (formal training) know that ABS does not give you as much braking power as "THRESHOLD" braking does. Threshold braking is only possible on a vehicle w/o ABS or with ABS turned off (fuse taken out)
This is true, however completely unrealistic.
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Old 09-02-2010, 06:48 PM
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I have a 2001 4wd Ranger and have the same problem with the brakes seeming to slip when slowly coming to a stop. I checked the front brakes today, calipers are good pads are good. The back brakes needed replaced and I did that as well as replaced all the hardware for the rear brakes. Any ideas?
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Old 09-02-2010, 07:05 PM
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i have no idea lol i from essex county i just recently moved to bergen county where is it by...?
It's off rt 80 exit 35 morris county
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Old 09-03-2010, 04:32 AM
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I have a 2001 4wd Ranger and have the same problem with the brakes seeming to slip when slowly coming to a stop. I checked the front brakes today, calipers are good pads are good. The back brakes needed replaced and I did that as well as replaced all the hardware for the rear brakes. Any ideas?
Is your brake pedal soft? That would indicate that the brake lines need to be bled. That's likely if you removed the rear brake cylinders.

The people who have answered the OP have suggested greasing the long slide bolts on the caliper, but it's not clear if you have the same problem since you say you checked them. How'd you check them? Visual inspection won't eliminate the possibility that your calipers are binding and overheating. And that's what was causing the fade in that situation.
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Old 09-03-2010, 06:17 AM
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The wheel cylinders were not replaced and brake line was not opened up to allow air in. Also no leaks in brake system so I do not believe it is air in the line. I did check the calipr movement and pulled the calipers to check the movement of the pins. I'm leaning toward the speed sensors at the wheels.
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Old 09-03-2010, 02:45 PM
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Yeah cause it couldn't have anything to do with the brake booster or a vacuum supply leak to the brake booster or new pad break in/pads contaminated with grease.

Throw some parts at it starting with the most illogical and most expensive, working your way down to free things like checking the fluid level.
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Old 09-04-2010, 04:04 PM
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Jesus Mickblock, I may be new to this forum but do know how to use a wrench. i joined this forum looking for suggestions and help not BS attitude and smart ass remarks that do nothing but take up space. If I'm reading into your remarks I apologize in advance. The issue is not a "fade" and it isn't caused by grease or a vacuum leak. As was originally posted at the beginning of this thread the problem occurs when slowly coming to a stop, and as you press the pedal to come to a complete stop the brakes act like the ABS has kicked in and the truck seems to slide, but doesn't.

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Old 09-04-2010, 07:28 PM
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You didn't say you had the same issue as the OP you said you had an issue like that minus the heat and minus the pull. You didn't mention any noises.
That leaves the basic brake system stuff to diagnose. I listed possibilities.

Also did you adjust your back breaks after you finished replacement? Sometimes it's needed. There is also a break in period for new lining. I wasn't kidding about that.

But ABS isn't going to kick on errantly unless you have a broken pulse ring (the toothed ring on your wheel bearings that your ABS sensors pickup to monitor tire rotation, you can see part of it in the picture I posted, it's underneath where the sensor was located). But if that were the case you would definitely hear the system activate.

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Old 09-04-2010, 07:44 PM
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If the ABS is active (whether because it is needed or because it is broken), you will hear the growling sound and feel it in the pedal. If you're getting that, I would suspect a sensor or pulse ring problem on one of the wheels.
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Old 09-05-2010, 07:20 AM
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The ABS is definitely kicking in so I will focus on the sensors and the ring.
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