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Old 04-21-2010, 09:37 AM
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Thanks for the info
Will it make a difference with the part numbers not being the same?
The part number that Ford gave me was 1L5Z-12A650-JB whereas the to Ebay sites are 1L5F-12A650-JC. Do you think I will be successful even though the part numbers are not exactly the same?

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Old 04-22-2010, 07:15 AM
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Thanks for the info
Will it make a difference with the part numbers not being the same?
The part number that Ford gave me was 1L5Z-12A650-JB whereas the to Ebay sites are 1L5F-12A650-JC. Do you think I will be successful even though the part numbers are not exactly the same?
Sorry, I don't have a short and simple answer, so you get this instead. LOL

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There is a common and annoying problem that can arise when crossreferencing the number that is physically on a Ford part to the number in the Ford Parts ordering system. Ford uses "engineering" part numbers during product development and these often stay with the part after release for production, even though the Ford Parts System number may be different.

So, in this case, the Parts System number is 1L5Z-12A650-JB but the engineering number (printed on the label on the PCM) is 1L5F-12A650-JB. I was at the local Ford dealer here this morning and had them run the crossreference.

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OK, more info: Hollander's is a well known crossreference system used by salvage yards. It lets a junkyard know which parts can be used across model years and even across model lines (Chevy to Buick, Ford to Mercury, etc.) Generally speaking, Hollanders is very good, especially after a particular vehicle had been in their system for several years.

I found an online junkyard that list 4 PCM's for your 2001 3.0 manual 2WD and I have to assume that these are sourced through Hollander's. Notice that these all use the Ford engineering number that's on the part for easy identification in the field:

Numbers printed on the PCM label:

1L5F-12A650-JB
1L5F-12A650-JC
1L5F-12A650-JD
1U7A-12A650-FHA

The equivalent Ford Parts System numbers for these 4 PCM's are the same except the 4th character is changed to Z in each case.

1L5Z-12A650-JB
1L5Z-12A650-JC
1L5Z-12A650-JD
1U7Z-12A650-FHA

Again, I had my friend and ace parts man at the local Ford dealer do the crossreferencing.

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Now here's the confusing part: In the Ford Parts system, the supersession info implies that the first part in the list (1L5Z-12A650-JB) is a unique PCM but that the other three are equivalent and interchangeable only with each other. Hollander says that all four are interchangeable. (???)

So, it's your call. My guess is that any of the four PCMs would work in your Ranger but, if you want to be absolutely safe, then you should look for the 1L5Z-12A650-JB which carries the 1L5F-12A650-JB number on the label.
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Old 04-27-2010, 10:01 AM
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Well, thanks for the awesome help we have received to date.
Just as a quick update, based on what I have learned so far, the part number Ford gave on the VIN doesnt exist. After hours of searching and seeing part numbers from exactly the same model Edge rather than trying to track down the 1L5Z-JB the 1L5F-JB seems like it will work.
We had another cunning plan to avoid flying in the mechanic from American Samoa (will cost US$500 minimum) What do you think about this?
We were planning on tracking down from the same year & model Ranger the PCM and steering column with keys. We were hoping that the clone unit would recognize the key and allow the truck to start. Would this work? I can forsee some problems 1) Trying to source both a working PCM and the steering column with key from a similar Ranger will be a mission. 2) If the Ranger that the PCM comes out of has been crashed and the airbags have deployed, will that require a reset of the PCM, in which case we are better just to buy a PCM and fly in the mechanic
Any thoughts on trying to put in a clone PCM from another Ranger?
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Old 04-27-2010, 12:10 PM
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Just another quick question while I am thinking about it. I assume that even if I get the parts as mentioned above, and we try to get the truck going, if I am unsuccessful and need to get the Ford mechanic in, can he wipe the settings in the PCM and then reprogram it? I am assuming he can but I just want to make sure. Any comments?
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Old 04-27-2010, 12:10 PM
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As I tried to explain in my last post, the 1L5Z-12A650-JB part number does exist in the parts system but the actual physical PCM will show 1L5F-12A650-JB on the label. This is just how Ford does things.

Which part number is important to you depends on where you are looking for a replacement. To order a new PCM from Ford, you need to use the parts system number; to locate a used one in a wrecking yard, you would use the number on the label to ID it.

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PATS, method #1: Find a junkyard PCM and steering ignition lock assembly and keys from the same clone Ranger. Since they are from the same vehicle, the PCM should already be programmed to recognize the keys.

You don't need the whole column and the lock is very easy to change by inserting the key into the lock, rotating it and then pushing a punch or screwdriver in through a hole in the bottom of the column to release it.

This method has the advantage that you don't necessarily need to hire and/or transport anyone to help you.


PATS, method #2: Find a PCM from a clone truck (or order a new one) and then have a locksmith or a Ford technician program that PCM to accept your current keys. A special programming tool is required to do this.

This second method has the advantage that the door and ignition locks will continue to use the same keys.

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The airbags use a separate module for control and diagnostics, so the status of that system has nothing to do with the PCM.
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Old 04-27-2010, 12:12 PM
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Just another quick question while I am thinking about it. I assume that even if I get the parts as mentioned above, and we try to get the truck going, if I am unsuccessful and need to get the Ford mechanic in, can he wipe the settings in the PCM and then reprogram it? I am assuming he can but I just want to make sure. Any comments?
Assuming that he has the correct programming tool, he can reprogram the PCM to recognize a different set of keys.
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Old 04-27-2010, 09:12 PM
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OK So i am going to send out a big SOS and ask if anyone can direct me to a wrecker that is happy to sell me a working PCM, the set of keys recognized by the PCM and the ignition barrel?
The part number on the PCM is 1L5F-12A650-JB
It would need to come out of a 2001 Ford Ranger Edge, 3.0 litre V6, 5 speed manual, non flex fuel.
I have been having no end of trouble tracking down all the parts together. I have sent about 50 emails to dealers I found on www.car-part.com but no luck. I rang about 20 as well, but either no one has all the parts, or they get real suspicious that I have a stolen car and are unwilling to help me out.
If someone can point me to someone they think may be able to help, that would save me having to fly in a mechanic just to program the PCM to recognize the keys.
I will have no problem getting the items here as I have a friend in California who can on ship them to me.
Anyone out there?!
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Old 04-30-2010, 05:36 PM
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Just thinking about another way to go - does anyone know or had experience with this or similar key programmers. I found a few of different types available from China claiming they can remove old keys and add new keys. Anybody had a play with these before?

http://www.yohotech.com/products/YH028.htm

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Old 05-01-2010, 08:08 AM
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I have not used an aftermarket tool to program the PCM to recognize RFID keys but I have used a Ford dealer tool called the 'New Generation Star' or 'New Generation Star Plus'. The NGS/NGS+ devices also perform many other programming and testing functions not related to keys. The NGS series is now obsolete and superseded by newer tools but would still work fine on a 2001. They can be found used on eBay for about $400~800 but you must also have the correct data card and cables for the vehicle year/model being serviced.
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Old 05-03-2010, 04:01 PM
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I have just found a mechanic that has the programming equipment on the island. It's certainly a case of knowing the right people over here. Sounds like he had a government contact to service the telephone companies vehicles over here but part of the deal was that he needed to buy the servicing equipment.
Just one thing they tried to spin on me is that they will need to wipe the memory of the PCM before it will accept new keys. As I understand that is not right, he basically needs to delete the stored keys and then program in the two new keys we have. As he is trying to charge me an arm and a leg just to program the keys I want to make sure he is not trying to charge me for something we don't need. On a clone PCM all he needs to do is wipe the two original keys and then program the PCM to recognise two new keys. Is that correct?

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Old 05-04-2010, 03:33 AM
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As he is trying to charge me an arm and a leg just to program the keys I want to make sure he is not trying to charge me for something we don't need. On a clone PCM all he needs to do is wipe the two original keys and then program the PCM to recognise two new keys. Is that correct?
I am not an expert but that is my understanding from the couple of times that I have done it. I'm sure he knows that he is "the only game in town", so he is probably charging accordingly. For perspective, programming the PCM for two keys at a Ford dealer here probably goes for US$75~150.
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Old 05-06-2010, 06:23 PM
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Just to quickly update and thank everyone for the awesome help so far. We have managed to pick up a clone PCM from exactly the same year and model Ford Ranger Edge. We got the PCM from http://www.eissbrothers.com/ for $55 + shipping. The part number was slightly different being the 1L5F-JD rather than the 1L5F-JB, but am pretty sure it will work. Eiss Brothers said they will take the part back should it be incorrect, so that was prettty good. Once we get it here in a few weeks time and get the keys done, will let everyone know how we got on. Once gain, thanks so much for everything! I would have been lost without this forum!
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Old 05-07-2010, 10:22 AM
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This is a cool post to follow, and a PCM for $55.00.........Holy smokes. If it all works out it sure shows how much wea re really being robbed fro parts.
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Old 05-07-2010, 05:32 PM
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I went to eissbros website, and they have a Ebay store with pretty reasonable prices if anybody needs parts.
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Old 05-07-2010, 06:46 PM
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So now I am thinking what to do to get this old girl ready for life again on the road. From what we have been told, it has been off the road for over a year. What would you recommend I should do before trying to turn the engine over. Change the oil, flush out the cooling system are obvious jobs that will need to be done. Anything else to think about?
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