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Old 12-08-2009, 07:55 PM
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Q: The Ford Ranger is available in other parts of the world with a diesel engine. What must be considered before this option can be offered in the U.S.?
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Customer needs drive powertrain offerings, and the U.S. Ranger fulfills customer need for an inexpensive commuter vehicle with light hauling/towing capability and achieves best-in-class fuel economy without a diesel engine. For most non-North American markets, the global Ford Ranger fulfills the role of a fullsize pickup in terms of size and payload, and a diesel engine is required due to local market requirements.
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Wow, we never considered that our little Ranger was some Third World country's Super Duty.
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Old 12-08-2009, 08:02 PM
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I have never understood it

I know if they offered a diesel they would out sale Toyota Chevy and Dodge in the non full size truck market
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Old 12-08-2009, 08:07 PM
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i expect a diesel ranger (or other ford mid-size truck) to be on the market here soon. with the jetta tdi getting around 42 mpg, the ranger could likely get similar mpg with a similar engine. that would bring ford's truck fleet average mpg up considerably, and it makes sense with the new clean diesel and bio-diesel applications. imagine a ranger that ran on bio-diesel, costing 50-70 cents/gallon to run.
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Old 12-08-2009, 08:08 PM
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I have never understood it

I know if they offered a diesel they would out sale Toyota Chevy and Dodge in the non full size truck market
they could do that with a true 4 door ranger without the diesel .
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and its good for the environment too
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Old 12-08-2009, 09:59 PM
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Diesel's are more efficient and cleaner burning than gas engines. They also are easy to upgrade. They make excellent mileage. And even the crappy diesels tend to last 300000 to 500000 miles before they crap their brains out. And the VW TDI makes around 50 mpg according to every driver I've ever talked to.

The reason they don't offer one in the states:
1 people think they are noisy and stinky.
2 because of this people do not want to look at what the world now has to offer for diesels.
3 most people think diesels are slow and are just now starting to catch up
4 diesel options are more expensive up front


I think that they could easily put a turbodiesel on the market in the states and sell the crap out of it! People really started looking at diesels now that Dodge, GM, and Ford have all built really powerful diesels that are efficient and quiet. Most people don't need a 3/4 ton truck with a diesel, but they may want the power and efficiency of one and the ability to tow like nothings there, put out a small efficient diesel that can fit a family in the truck you bet your sweet dingle berries I'll buy one and so will a ton of other guys. These trucks would be way easier to commute in and even the environmental hippies would be happy because they could run it on biodiesel like surfer03133 said. Sounds perfect to me, I get my power house truck that I can fit somewhere and the greenies get their emissions and mpg standards.
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Old 12-08-2009, 10:01 PM
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I also forgot that most people are to scared to work on their new gas engines let alone a diesel that sometimes requires specialty tools for all the fittings and such.
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Old 12-08-2009, 11:37 PM
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I ask ford about a diesel in the us for a ranger. I explaned that I have a 1985 that I got new in 1985. the sent this to me by email.

Thank you for contacting the Ford Motor Company Customer Relationship Center regarding the availability of a diesel Ford Ranger in the United States. There are no details at this time reflecting plans to put this option into commercial production. From time to time, vehicle models and options are added, deleted or modified. Decisions to make these changes take into account factors such as market trends, customer demands, engineering advances, and dealership input. The Customer Relationship Center is unaware in advance of changes that our Engineering and Design Team may be making and the specific reasons that the changes may be made in the future. This type of information is considered confidential until the appropriate media statement is released. If you are interested in some futuristic vehicle design ideas that we are working on, visit us at: 1. www.ford.com 2. Select 'Innovation' We think you will like what you see! In addition, if your local Ford or Lincoln-Mercury dealership is unable to order a particular Ford part for you because it is unavailable, we recommend contacting one of the below companies, as they specialize in obsolete parts: Vintage Parts Program1-877-846-8243www.vpartsinc.com Green Sales 513-731-3304 1-800-543-4959www.greensalescompany.com Parts Voice1 866-913-5214www.partsvoice.com Thank you for taking the time to write to us. Sometimes e-mail communication does not allow us to gain additional information that may be helpful in responding to your inquiry. Should you feel that we have not adequately addressed your questions, please feel free to contact us via telephone at (800)392-3673 between the hours of 8am and 5pm, local time, Monday through Friday. Hearing-impaired callers with access to a TDD may contact 1-800-232-5952. Sincerely, Jamie Customer Relationship Center Ford Motor Company For online support visit us at: www.customersaskford.com which contains answers to frequently asked questions and links to other key product and service information. Ford Confidentiality:
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Old 12-09-2009, 07:25 AM
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In my Freshman year of college, I sent a letter to Ford requesting them that they consider making a Ford Ranger SuperDuty! I told them to offer a small but very capable diesel in the Ranger and call it the Ranger SuperDuty. Heck, if they wanted, they could scale down the looks of the F250 Superduty to the size of a Ranger. I told them it would sell. They responded that "at Ford, they look at everything from a sales perspective and using demographics to decide things." Well it seems most all Ranger owners would like to see a diesel in a Ranger...so whats the problem. I say we get a petition of everyone on all these Ranger sites with names, and then write them another letter!
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Old 12-09-2009, 07:56 AM
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I still dont think it will happen just to emissions regs on a vehicle that doesnt have a 6000lbs GVWR. The F250 and F350 are in a totally different weight class and they are treated as such. The Jetta also is in a different vehicle class according to the EPA not to mention that it has a ton of modifications from the non US markets in order to make it meet emissions standards Stateside. Those modifications actually hurt milage from the EU model (if you can believe 50mpg is actually DOWN on mpgs lol).

In short, in engineering and investment terms, its not worth the effort to have their existing diesel retrofitted to meet emissions standards in orfer to fit a platform that is on its way out, and the demand so far has not been shown to be there for a next gen model.
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A few things to consider:

1. The Tacoma/Frontier/Colorado/Canyon/Dakota don't offer diesels either.

2. It doesn't make financial sense for Ford to invest money in a diesel Ranger now, since the current Ranger will be toast in another year or two.

3. A diesel might yield better fuel economy, but there are numerous naturally aspirated gasoline V6 engines on the market right now that get better fuel economy than the 3 and 4 liter Ranger V6's. Ford could have tuned - or replaced - the current V6 with one that's more fuel efficient, but again, that would mean investing money in the truck.

4. What would we do with all the extra torque that a diesel would produce? The 4.0 V6 is fully capable of any task within the limitations of the Rangers towing/payload capacities. What limits the capability of the Ranger isn't the engine, it's the frame, small size, and light weight. Some could argue that the Ranger-based Explorer came equipped with the Windsor V8, but IIRC, it was only making about 215 HP at the time, hardly any more than the 4.0 SOHC V6's 207 HP. I think the towing capacity of the V8 Explorer was a bit higher, but it was a heavier truck, and not as likely to get pushed around by the weight being towed.

I'm sure most of you will ignore all that, and continue to insist that Ford slap a diesel in there anyway "just because". And the truth is, I wouldn't argue with you. I'd still like to see a diesel Ranger, too.

But to offer the current Ranger with a diesel makes no sense.
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well, CAFE standards are based on combined fleet mpg, so the ranger is thrown in with 250s and 350s because their all considered "light truck" as well as the expedition and exploder. having a ranger that gets 40+ mpg would bring ford way above the current 20 mpg combined fleet standard. and i think the car standard is 27 mpg. but your right that there is no incentive for Ford to produce a car or truck that will be that much better than the requirements. car companies are like students, do the bare minimum and hope that passes but i think that with the new ruling by EPA that greenhouse gases are detrimental to public health, standards may increase in the near future, so maybe ford should get a little head start and be the one setting the example for the other companies
jay- thats why i qualified my post with (or other ford midsize truck). since the ranger will be dead soon, ford wont do anything to it, but its easier to just say ranger than 'new ford midsize truck'. the new truck should definitely have a diesel, and be stronger to tow a bit more
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You're right they do have no reason to stick any more money in the current version of the stateside Ranger. But Ford was/is/whothefuckknowswhatthehelltheywanttodo talking about bringing the international Ranger platform to the states. That would mean it could be built with the diesel option as the rest of the world does get a diesel option. It would be easy enough to make it meet US emissions since EU has stricter emissions standards than we do, and emissions technology is advancing like mad. Oh and btw thanks to lower green house gases that we are emitting from out vehicles, we are instead pumping even deadlier to human chemicals out of the exhausts of our vehicles. Yeah emissions!!

So WTF FORD! Make up your mind so we can have one too! AND 4 doors please! We are asking real nice!! lol
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Oh and btw thanks to lower green house gases that we are emitting from out vehicles, we are instead pumping even deadlier to human chemicals out of the exhausts of our vehicles. Yeah emissions!!
population control at its finest! it is one of the great ironies that our replacements for the green house gases have been more harmful to humans.
one of the arguments against increased CAFE standards is that, with increased fuel economy, the cost of driving per mile goes down. this creates more traffic, more chance for deadly accidents, and more pollution into the air.
need i say, a tax on gas is the best way to reduce emissions and change driver habit and lower accidents. but a higher tax in the us would spark outrage
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