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Old 07-27-2011, 12:25 AM
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Default Towing weak points

What are the weak points on our trucks that cause the gvw to be rated so low? What can be done to practically raise the gvw without reliability suffering?
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Old 07-27-2011, 08:57 AM
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my 4.0 has a Gross vehicle curb weight of 9500 lbs
and a tow rating of 5622 lbs
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Old 07-27-2011, 09:00 AM
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Aal,
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Old 07-27-2011, 09:15 AM
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The GVWR isnt really that low at all. I think that 1200 pounds of payload (over 1/2 ton) is pretty admirable for a truck that doesnt even weigh 4,000 pounds. 5500 pounds towing capacity is also nothing small, thats more than some 1/2 ton full size trucks are rated to pull. Nothing you do will raise the GVWR of your truck though, AAL's, over load springs ect will only allow the truck to sit more level with a load but they will not raise what your truck can safety tow/ haul. If you want to haul more than what the ranger is rated to haul you need to get a 1/2 ton or a 3/4 ton.

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my 4.0 has a Gross vehicle curb weight of 9500 lbs
and a tow rating of 5622 lbs
Terry your truck does not weigh 9500 pounds, you might be confused with the GCWR (gross combination weight rating) which is truck curb weight plus payload plus trailer weight.
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Old 07-27-2011, 09:26 AM
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We just weighed our dirt bike trailer last night at work. 2360lbs, a 4.0L V6 should pull that easily, correct? My Dad tows it with the Hummer H2..the combined weight was 9040lbs!! The hummer is almost 7000lbs, the Gross Combination weight for the H2 is 15,600 I think. 9times out of 10 I will be just putting my bike in the back..but I want to make sure I can tow that trailer.
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Old 07-27-2011, 10:43 AM
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my 4.0 has a Gross vehicle curb weight of 9500 lbs
and a tow rating of 5622 lbs
That seems like a high number considering mine is only 5280#.

And it's not so much so that I can haul more on a consistent basis; I was simply curious what it would take to increase it from an engineering standpoint.
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Old 07-27-2011, 10:44 AM
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Default Re: Towing weak points

for a small truck to pull almost 6000 lbs, i dont think that is small by any means
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Old 07-27-2011, 10:51 AM
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And it's not so much so that I can haul more on a consistent basis; I was simply curious what it would take to increase it from an engineering standpoint.
stronger frame, larger axles, bigger brakes, heavier truck, longer wheelbase. basically a bigger truck.
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for a small truck to pull almost 6000 lbs, i dont think that is small by any means
I'm curious as to what Ranger has a toeing cap of 6000# though.
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Old 07-27-2011, 11:43 AM
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^ the 4.0 2wd auto
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Old 07-27-2011, 11:49 AM
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I'm curious as to what Ranger has a toeing cap of 6000# though.
The closest I could come looking at my 2011 owner's manual was 5940# towing capacity. Only the 4.0L, long wheel base, 4X2, automatic is rated that high.
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Old 07-27-2011, 11:52 AM
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^ we have wheelbases we can choose from?

is that what the 7.5 and 8.8 deal is about?
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Old 07-27-2011, 12:14 PM
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That seems like a high number considering mine is only 5280#.

And it's not so much so that I can haul more on a consistent basis; I was simply curious what it would take to increase it from an engineering standpoint.
the numbers I gave were the exact numbers according to my 2001 owners manual for my 4.0L supercab 4x4 However, your numbers may differ.
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Old 07-27-2011, 12:20 PM
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The GVWR isnt really that low at all. I think that 1200 pounds of payload (over 1/2 ton) is pretty admirable for a truck that doesnt even weigh 4,000 pounds. 5500 pounds towing capacity is also nothing small, thats more than some 1/2 ton full size trucks are rated to pull. Nothing you do will raise the GVWR of your truck though, AAL's, over load springs ect will only allow the truck to sit more level with a load but they will not raise what your truck can safety tow/ haul. If you want to haul more than what the ranger is rated to haul you need to get a 1/2 ton or a 3/4 ton.
this. ive seen guys break tons of shit on fullsize chevys and f150s cause they think they can tow more than the rated ammount cause they have aal or air lift bags. what they dont realize is that the axle and axle shafts take the same load either way. my dad had an 80s chevy 3/4 ton diesel and broke and axle shaft cause he overloaded it, even though he had aal.
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Old 07-27-2011, 12:22 PM
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this. ive seen guys break tons of shit on fullsize chevys and f150s cause they think they can tow more than the rated ammount cause they have aal or air lift bags. what they dont realize is that the axle and axle shafts take the same load either way. my dad had an 80s chevy 3/4 ton diesel and broke and axle shaft cause he overloaded it, even though he had aal.
that and the rest of the drivetrain isnt built to handle that much weight...you will blow a motor or fry a tranny
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