3.0 vs 4.0 - Page 10

DiabloBlanco · #**136** 07-04-2011, 11:48 AM

You guys still on this topic? wow.

TBarr · #**137** 07-04-2011, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by EMB1230

this may be a dumb question bout over the years did the Rangers get heavier? I was looking up gas mileage figures for random years and the early 90's Rangers with 2wd, manual trans and the 3.0 get 25 highway, seem like 98+ only get 22.

i know at some point in the late 80s early 90s the EPA changed the way they estimated the mpg's of new vehicles

Rango88 · #**138** 07-04-2011, 11:57 AM

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i know at some point in the late 80s early 90s the EPA changed the way they estimated the mpg's of new vehicles

yes you are correct and I believe they changed it in the mid 200s as well IIRC

EMB1230 · #**139** 07-04-2011, 12:18 PM

Not sure if anyone will be able to view this who isn't a member over there, if not, I'll short hand it for y'all! LOL http://www.taurusclub.com/forum/124-...vs-ranger.html It's actually been discussed a few times over there.

knightmare1015 · #**140** 07-04-2011, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DiabloBlanco

You guys still on this topic? wow.

I know right, L.O.L.

cdawall · #**141** 07-04-2011, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by pooleo

yes these are the stats, but perhaps we should compare apples to apples and not apples to peaches. Th 4.0 OHV wich is the same design as the 3.0 only puts out 160hp. I suppose that a 4.0 ohv with really high gearing could be beat by a 3.0 that was geared low...???

it still makes 220lb/ft of torque which is still 30 more than the most powerful 3.0L (2000-2001 made 150HP/190LB/FT)

Rango88 · #**142** 07-04-2011, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by cdawall

it still makes 220lb/ft of torque which is still 30 more than the most powerful 3.0L (2000-2001 made 150HP/190LB/FT)

to me Hp isnt as valuable as torque, Torque really determines how your truck carries weight including its own. So the 220lb feet is more valuable then 160-170 w-e it is in HP

cdawall · #**143** 07-04-2011, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Rango88

to me Hp isnt as valuable as torque, Torque really determines how your truck carries weight including its own. So the 220lb feet is more valuable then 160-170 w-e it is in HP

yup i agree thats why i brought it up

Rango88 · #**144** 07-04-2011, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by cdawall

yup i agree thats why i brought it up

thats why the old school diesel Land cruisers are so legendary (apart reliability) its made the same Hp as a Suzuki swift but the torque was in the 200s you just cant beat that for towing, mudding and city driving.

knightmare1015 · #**145** 07-04-2011, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Rango88

to me Hp isnt as valuable as torque, Torque really determines how your truck carries weight including its own. So the 220lb feet is more valuable then 160-170 w-e it is in HP

Yep. That's what moves the vehicle period. You can have all of the horsepower in the world, but it will mean nothing if you can't put that power to the pavement in the form of torque. Can the 3.0 out do the 4.0? Maybe if the set up is right and it out handles the 4.0 or you put more torque to the pavement than the 4.0 it really depends on your set up, and how much the vehicle weighs really.

Rango88 · #**146** 07-04-2011, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by knightmare1015

Yep. That's what moves the vehicle period. You can have all of the horsepower in the world, but it will mean nothing if you can't put that power to the pavement in the form of torque. Can the 3.0 out do the 4.0? Maybe if the set up is right and it out handles the 4.0 or you put more torque to the pavement than the 4.0 it really depends on your set up, and how much the vehicle weighs really.

But OEM, never mind 4.56 or 4.88 gears, never high performance tires, weight reduction, racing tranny or what ever, the 4L OHV still out performs the 3L on paper and on pavement I dont care wha fuel econo difference it may have, so what If i get 2 MPG less then the 3L, If i wanted fuel econo in a truck I would went with the electric ranger or the 2.3L

EMB1230 · #**147** 07-04-2011, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by cdawall

it still makes 220lb/ft of torque which is still 30 more than the most powerful 3.0L (2000-2001 made 150HP/190LB/FT)

my 03 is rated @ 154HP/180FT LBS.side note: weren't the early 4.0's rated @ 155Hp or something?

Rango88 · #**148** 07-04-2011, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by EMB1230

my 03 is rated @ 154HP/180FT LBS.side note: weren't the early 4.0's rated @ 155Hp or something?

again youre talking HP, its torque thats crucial in a weight bearing vehicle, why do you think tractor trailers have close to 1,000 lb feet of torque and even diesel full size has 350 HP and close to 700lb feet.

EMB1230 · #**149** 07-04-2011, 02:10 PM

I agree, with you, Torque is what really matters. I used to have a '93 Deville which had the 4.9L V8, that thing cranked out 275ft lbs, so yeah, it pulled like a mofo!

Rango88 · #**150** 07-04-2011, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by EMB1230

I agree, with you, Torque is what really matters. I used to have a '93 Deville which had the 4.9L V8, that thing cranked out 275ft lbs, so yeah, it pulled like a mofo!

sorry i reread my previous post and I came off as an a**hole, sorry bud