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Old 06-16-2011, 01:33 PM
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go 4x4. Really no reason to go with a 2wd unless the initial purchase price is MUCH MUCH less, but the 4wd package will pay for itself with its first use. As far as mpg, I doubt you will lose much if any compared to a 2wd. Hell, I get better fuel mileage with my 4.10 gears than others do with lower ratios.
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Old 06-16-2011, 01:53 PM
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If you are refering to me, I had just over 200lb at the tailgate and i have traction control, thats it.... I will probably add closer to 300 lbs for next winter
I'm right next door to you in Ottawa, and I survived 2 shitty winters of aweful snowstorms with my 4x2 + traction control. Driving a lot of sketchy un-plowed backroads, I had ONE experience where a 4x4 could have saved me some trouble, but knowing the limits of the 4x2 and driving accordingly, with a little help from Mr. Traction control, did the trick.

I just use some packed snow in the bed for extra traction.

For the 1600$ extra the 4x4 would have cost me (not to mention the extra gas), I can call a tow truck to get me out of trouble a LOT of times.
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Old 06-16-2011, 01:56 PM
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As others have stated, obviously 4X4 is going to be better in snow/mud/etc., but whether it's 'needed' for Toronto winters depends, I think, on your expectations. I drove my 2WD in the couple of late-winter snowstorms we had this year, without any weight in the back and with the stock tires, and I thought it was fine. Not as good as a FWD car, but doable.

I would deliberately pull off to the side of the road (where the snow's the deepest) at corners and at the bottom of small hills, and never had problems getting going, or making it up the grade. The traction control helped a lot, and I think it, or a LSD is a must.

Which leads to a question... Is there any point in getting a LSD if you have TC - don't they both have exactly the same effect?

I did recently put winter-rated Dunlop RVXTs on the truck as an extra precaution for next winter, though. And I'll pack some of those traction mats.... just in case.
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Old 06-16-2011, 02:00 PM
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if you have a season of snow, better than 3 months get a 4wd. tho a 2wd is capable on snowy/icy roads. majority of the time the roads are plowed anyhow. I personally would not own a 2wd vehicle. but we get a full season of snow
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Old 06-16-2011, 02:03 PM
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if you have a season of snow, better than 3 months get a 4wd. tho a 2wd is capable on snowy/icy roads. majority of the time the roads are plowed anyhow. I personally would not own a 2wd vehicle. but we get a full season of snow
As do we lol a long winter season
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Old 06-16-2011, 02:54 PM
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Traction control pulsates your brakes to limit wheel slippage, it does not act as a LSD or posi by sending power to both rear wheels
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Old 06-16-2011, 03:00 PM
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you say that until you get stuck one good time and you wish there was a "badass mode" switch on your bezel to get you our. then all them savings you saved in gas just paid a tow truck to pull you out
if you're out deep somewhere and youre stuck, the tow guy probably wont be able to get to you in his rig (often the tow companies want no part of it anyway) and youll have to rely on a buddy's 4x4 and some recovery straps...which is what you should be wheeling with in the first place....

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Old 06-16-2011, 03:08 PM
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Dealer recommendation: Yonge-Steeles Ford Lincoln. They sell a lot of vehicles hence may have more discounts to play with. I got a reasonable deal for a 4x4.
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Old 06-16-2011, 03:18 PM
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i say get the 4x4 its just nice to have in one of those situations. your sittin in the snoww storm both tires are spining and your on the phone with the buddy with 4x4 and you are thinkin to yourself DAMN i really wish i would'v listened and got the 4x4 option and i would be here right now.

its just one of those things u dont always have to use often but when you do need it your happy you dropped the extra cash for it!

BTW my 4.0l 4x4 gets the same mileage as my 4x2 4 cyl got and both were 5 spds
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Old 06-16-2011, 03:22 PM
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Traction control pulsates your brakes to limit wheel slippage, it does not act as a LSD or posi by sending power to both rear wheels
From what I understand it can pulsate the brake on only the wheel that's slipping, so that prevents all the power from escaping through that one wheel, then some of the power has to go to the wheel with (hopefully) more traction - same end result, no? It's just limiting the amount of slip using the brake instead of a clutch-type thingy in the diff.

I'm looking forward to playing, errrr... testing the TC and Roll Stability Control next winter in an empty parking lot.

The only problem I can see with TC would be if it has to pulsate the brakes on both wheels simultaneously because neither has traction... then you can't go anywhere (and have to turn it off). But that would be the case with a LSD - you need at least one wheel with traction to go anywhere.
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Old 06-16-2011, 03:48 PM
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thats my 2wd 2.3L. i just had like 250 pounds over the axle. i had never driven in snow or ice. and it drove AWESOME. the traction control did help, but was rarely needed. it snowed there, A LOT. i was parked on ice, there, and many other times. not a single complaint. my uncle thought i was doing better than his truck in the snow and ice.

but, thats just me.
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Old 06-16-2011, 06:58 PM
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I am also in this area and I do not drive a ranger as of yet. But I do drive a 94 Dodge ram 2500 12V 4x4 and to be honest if you dont leave Toronto all too much you can live with 2x4. Toronto gets piddly amounts of snow.

Just my 2 cents, best of luck picking.
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Old 06-16-2011, 07:28 PM
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Depends on how Toronto is with snow removal. I know that here they don't plow or remove snow until it is at least 8 inches, and thats the main roads. Good luck with the side roads.
A good set of winters and some weight will work wonders. Studded tires are amazing if you get a lot of packed snow/ice. Standard transmission is also handy to have with 2wd, can get a good rocking going if (when) you do get stuck.

I should add I wouldn't ever consider getting a 2wd in a winter climate, but thats personal preference on my part.
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Old 06-16-2011, 07:59 PM
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Better fuel economy, more money in your pocket, winters in Toronto aren't extreme (as some people may think), insurance rates might also be lower, fewer parts that might need maintenance...nothing wrong with a 2WD. 4x4's are awesome to have if you really, really, really need them.
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Old 06-16-2011, 08:46 PM
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to the poster asking if i had a locker... no i do not, although i would not mind getting one, just so i can purposely venture off into some deeper snow or some mud...

lol and as for Toronto winters... they use salt like it is going out of style and people panic if there is an inch of snow on the road.... then the media starts a huge hype about a winter storm warning and the city blows a few million dollar snow removal budget ... aha bunch of wimps... head up north (im not talking about Barrie either... keep going another 5 and a half hours) where there is actually snow and people don't forget how to drive in it
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