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Old 05-07-2011, 03:14 AM
Pixar Pixar is offline
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Question Towing

I want to be able to tow a open car carrier and tow a vintage VW Bug on it to car shows and was wondering how these trucks handle that ?

Was thinking of a 14 or 16 foot carrier

I have a 1997 4x4 reg Cab with a 4.0 in it.
98 K on the engine and Automatic.

I also was thinking of getting a trailer hitch system for it
and was also wondering will I need the trailer breaking system as well?
oh so many Questions

Thanks for any advise!

Jeff

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Old 05-07-2011, 06:58 AM
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How much do both the 16 foot carrier plus the car weigh?
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Old 05-07-2011, 07:01 AM
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yeah we really need to know the weight being pulled. and yes, with a double axle car trailer behind a small truck trailer brakes are a must. i would also suggest a weight distributing hitch system.
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Old 05-07-2011, 07:54 AM
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A Old Beetle is about 2000 lbs or less and the Trailer is about 1500 lbs
and boy I thought my past Toyota was small *LOL* it was only a 4 banger.
this truck seems HUGE compared.
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Old 05-07-2011, 08:39 AM
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Hi, Jeff
I tow a 12 foot 2600 lb dry weight pop up trailer with mine.
I'm guessing the tongue weight to be 350 to 400 lbs.
My trailer has electric brakes, which are a must.^
I have a Class 3 bolt on hitch, a Reese class 5 WDH and a Reese friction style anti sway device.
The truck handles the load very well.
Many hills can be pulled by turning off the overdrive. On steeper hills, I drop it into 2nd and just spin the engine while staying around 50 to 55 mph.
Gas mileage drops from 19 to about 13 to 14.
I never tow above 65 mph. It is just too fast considering how quickly things can happen.
I suggest driving around for an hour or two when you get your rig set up for the road.
Practice turning and backing, and get a feel for acceleration and braking. Make a few quick lane changes to see how it feels.
My truck is rated to tow about 5800 lbs - but - that is the tow load only and takes into account the driver only - no other cargo. You need to find out what the GCWR is for your truck.
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Old 05-07-2011, 10:13 AM
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Thanks Twisty for the info. I just went and looked at the Car Carrier that I am interested in. I am like you very cautious ,
I am looking at the class 3 hitches on the eTrailers site no problem there.

As I looked at the trailer it has a 6 pin round on it and the electric breaks

when I call up the plug and play trailer wiring all I see is the 4 pin flat.

and my other problem is how to hook up the wiring for the breaks.

I wish there was a place to go and see a YouTube on how they did it
for a 97. and BTW thanks for all your info so far.
Jeff

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Ok Guys.. just looked the GVWR in the door

GVWR is 4,980 lbs

front GVWR is 2,540 lbs
rear GVWR is 2,750 lbs

SO lets say the Beetle is 2,000 lbs
and the trailer is 2,000 lbs would I still be OK with the class 3 hitch and
the breaking system ?

And what the heck does this XLT stand for on the side of my truck *LOL*
I see that on most of them and there all different types of models.

Jeff
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Old 05-07-2011, 11:59 AM
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Jeff, you're welcome - so far
I bought my hitch from the local Ford dealer, free shipping to them gave me a better price (at the time).
6 pin is all you need, 7 pin includes a charge wire for a battery, common on travel trailers.
I suggest a Tekonsha Prodigy brake controller. It is proportional meaning the harder you apply the truck brakes the harder the trailer brakes are applied.
The towed load must be subtracted from the Gross Combined Weight Rating (GCWR) of the truck.
My GCWR is about 9000 lbs. Now let's play pretend...
2000 lb car
2000 lb trailer
4000 lb truck=
8000 lbs
That leaves 1000 lbs for you, the GF, dogs, tools, food, parts, clothing, etc.
Remember, you must include everything when working against the GCWR.
Subtract the weight of the bolt on hitch, the WDH, the ball mount, brush guard, winch, pull straps, come-a-long, tool box and anything and everything else that you take on a trip. When you approach the max limits, which you may end up doing, go to a scale, fully loaded.
There are consequences to overloading a rig if there is an accident of some kind.
Depending on the laws, you could be in very serious trouble if traveling over the weight limits.
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Old 05-07-2011, 08:34 PM
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Sage advice Twisty! And the key words are PROPERLY LOADED!
I drive an 18 wheeler for a living. Been at it for 25 years. Would I pull a tandem axle car trailer with a vehicle on it with my '04 ranger? No. Too small a braking system even with trailer brakes.
What my sage advice would be, and a learning experience, is to load your truck to gross, find an empty mall parking lot, get up to 40-50 mph and slam on the brakes with both feet. See what happens because somewhere while towing your going to have to do a Panic brake.
p.s., bring a crow bar to pry the seat coushion out of your backside.
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Old 05-07-2011, 08:46 PM
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^^ why both feet? lol
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Old 05-07-2011, 08:51 PM
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^^ why both feet? lol
You will be less likely to open the door and stick one foot out if you consider bailing!! lol
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Old 05-07-2011, 09:14 PM
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It's a term from back when we didn't have power brakes. Damn. Now I feel old.
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Old 05-08-2011, 04:12 AM
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Well, I have decided not to do this. to much load.
if anything , maybe a tow dolly :-) but not sure about
the trans axle on the bugs. anyway thanks all for the help guys.
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Old 05-08-2011, 04:21 AM
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Well, I have decided not to do this. to much load.
if anything , maybe a tow dolly :-) but not sure about
the trans axle on the bugs. anyway thanks all for the help guys.
good choice....some will tow a crap ton on these...but simply they were not built for that kind of activity.....
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