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Old 05-05-2011, 09:12 PM
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Ok Im just seeing what you guys would recommend from your experience with HID lights...Im looking to get my headlights and fog lights replaced with HID lights soon...anyone got any recommendations on what I should go with??? post links please and thank you
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Old 05-05-2011, 09:34 PM
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Use these guys!
http://www.ddmtuning.com/Product-Cat...hting/HID-Kits
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Old 05-05-2011, 09:36 PM
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I have them and hate them. they throw awful hot spots on the road, they have to 'warm up' instead of being on instantly when you hit the switch, they have absolutely no cutoff as headlights should. They emit an audible whine from the ballasts while being operated, interfere with radio equipment, and there is no real high beam with the high/low kit, instead the bulb physically moves forward and back, only slightly changing the beam pattern. before I get beat to death by the hid guys, I do have them aimed correctly.

not to mention installing headlamps other than those for which the housings were intended is illegal, no matter what loopholes the hid guys try to tell you.
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Old 05-06-2011, 01:20 AM
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Go with a 5 or 6k color
35w is plenty bright enough
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RTC and DDM brand kits are good
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Old 05-06-2011, 01:23 AM
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I have them and hate them. they throw awful hot spots on the road, they have to 'warm up' instead of being on instantly when you hit the switch, they have absolutely no cutoff as headlights should. They emit an audible whine from the ballasts while being operated, interfere with radio equipment, and there is no real high beam with the high/low kit, instead the bulb physically moves forward and back, only slightly changing the beam pattern. before I get beat to death by the hid guys, I do have them aimed correctly.

not to mention installing headlamps other than those for which the housings were intended is illegal, no matter what loopholes the hid guys try to tell you.
I'm not arguing with you. People have their opinions. There are some HID kits that allow you to have a HID Lo beam and a halogen hi beam in a simple plug and play kit. Some HID ballasts also don't have that loud whining noise when powering up. You are correct when you say that they take a few seconds to power up and that they have no cut off
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Old 05-06-2011, 02:17 AM
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If you have the skills and money might I suggest doing a legitimate projector retrofit for your headlights.
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Old 05-06-2011, 05:49 AM
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Default Re: Question about HID light???

Yeah I was going to say the same thing. You can buy actual projectors and retro fit them into your headlight housings. I'm thinking that might even be better than buying projector headlights for Rangers and just sticking the HID bulbs in them.

My friend put HID's in his 2010 Camaro (just using the stock reflector housings) and it was aweful, no cutoff line like the halogens gave him, the spread of light was inconsistant, and the high beam was just an upward shift of the same light. Not so good.
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Old 05-06-2011, 06:05 AM
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not to mention installing headlamps other than those for which the housings were intended is illegal, no matter what loopholes the hid guys try to tell you.
There aren't loop holes and it is not illegal everywhere. You have you clue what you are talking about when it comes to the law. What you as an end user can do to your vehicle, including headlight modifications, is regulated by individual state's laws and most do not prohibit it.

Read this, the last time someone made this BS claim.
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Old 05-06-2011, 06:15 AM
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OP, i recommend you use the search button and read the countless other threads on this subject. perhaps you'll find what you need there.
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Old 05-06-2011, 07:09 PM
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There aren't loop holes and it is not illegal everywhere. You have you clue what you are talking about when it comes to the law. What you as an end user can do to your vehicle, including headlight modifications, is regulated by individual state's laws and most do not prohibit it.
I do have a clue, in the California vehicle code section 26101 subsection (b) :

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(b) A person shall not use upon a vehicle, and a person shall not drive a vehicle upon a highway that has installed a device that is intended to modify the original design or performance of a lighting, safety glazing material, or other device, unless the modifying device complies with Section 26104.
you are correct, though, in stating that this specific law does not apply everywhere. BUT
if they do not have DOT APPROVED stamped on them, they are not for use on the highway, and thusly illegal to use in such a manner. The Department Of Transportation is a national institution. I could probaby find something in section 108 of the the Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards published by the NHTSA that says something to the same effect, but I don't want to read all of that.

these kits are sold as 'show or off road use only' because the manufacturers know they can't sell them to be installed in vehicles which will use them while traveling on the highway [CVC section 26104, subsection (a)], though most users do just that

This is not a BS claim. people are ticketed all the time for having them, and because they are misinformed about the laws, they fail to have the ticket reversed due to the above regulations.
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Old 05-06-2011, 09:08 PM
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Default Re: Question about HID light???

Nope. Wrong. Everything you just said is addressed in the thread I linked to above. Where someone already posted what you posted and I shot it down very quickly. I'm not retyping it, feel free to read if you would like to know about the reality of it beyond the one line you quoted.

Your reference to FMVSS section 108 is also invalid which I also explained already. The federal motor vehicle safety standards apply only to manufacturers, retailers, and shops. And btw, I have read all of that. They do not apply to end users. Only state laws apply to end users, period, end of story.

Markings such as "DOT Approved" and similar are also a bunch of BS. There is no such thing as DOT approved. Its an advertising ploy. The DOT does not test or approve anything. Sorry.

So, no apparently you don't have a clue. Please read the thread I linked. Trust me, you're engaging in a losing debate on this matter.
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Old 05-06-2011, 10:04 PM
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there isn't anything that states hids do comply with sec 26104.

there are both sides to the whole hid debate, and we obviously differ. the laws nowhere say retrofitting the bulbs is legal, and there is more to argue otherwise in the written laws, which is what law enforcement will cite based on. this will go on until there is a law published that blatantly states "retrofitting of headlamp bulbs other than those designed for the housings in which they are installed is or is not legal"

legality aside, in reflector housings, hid bulbs are not the ideal situation when the other drivers on the road are considered, and this is why I will be getting rid of mine when I have the time.

I'm done here. apologies to the op for turning this thread into a waste of server space.
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Old 05-06-2011, 10:25 PM
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there isn't anything that states hids do comply with sec 26104.
So? That isn't how the law works. The law either says what is required or what is prohibited. Not both. It doesn't have to say "HID's are legal". Most state laws were written before HID's were even invented.

I specifically addressed section 26104 already. It is a complete non-issue and you are citing the equivalent of "it is unlawful to break the law". No matter how you try to slice it, there is no law in the state of California which prohibits the use of HID's. And there is no nationwide standard or law that applies to end users at all.

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there are both sides to the whole hid debate, and we obviously differ. the laws nowhere say retrofitting the bulbs is legal, and there is more to argue otherwise in the written laws, which is what law enforcement will cite based on. this will go on until there is a law published that blatantly states "retrofitting of headlamp bulbs other than those designed for the housings in which they are installed is or is not legal"
No. There is only one side to the law and there is nothing to debate. In fact, this isn't even a debate. This is you stating things that are blatantly wrong and me posting facts. You not understanding the law doesn't constitute a different version of said law.

You don't like HID's (despite driving around with them on anyway...). That is fine and you're entitled to that opinion. There are many others here who feel the same way. But your understanding of the law regarding these things is completely off.
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Old 05-07-2011, 10:51 AM
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For the State of Virginia this is from the inspection manual... Also If they did not come equipped from the factory with HID in VA its Illegal. The Only Aftermarket HID kit is made by Sylvania and it is the XENARC Kt that the used to sell for the F150 and that is only because It comes with a reflector designed for HID.



http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...19VAC30-70-510


6. Bulbs are not of an approved type (must have DOT stamp and the manufacturer's name) or are over 32 candlepower. (Sealed beam lamps including the ones that permit the use of a replacement halogen bulb are the only lamps approved with over 32 candlepower.) Ordinary lenses and reflectors were not designed for over 32 candlepower bulbs.

NOTE: The Sylvania 9003 (HB2), 9004 (HB1), 9005 (HB3) and 9006 (HB4) Cool Blue xenon bulbs were found to comply with FMVSS 108. There is a noticeable blue tint around the outside of the lamp pattern but the concentrated light is white. Only the Sylvania has approval and is marked with DOT.


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Yes this Varies from state to state on the wording however MOST states also have a law against anything other than White and Amber emit from the front of your vehicle. Thats why alot of people get away with 5000K PnP HIDs but the higher colors they get pulled over for.
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Old 05-09-2011, 10:50 PM
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FX4OR is exactly right. I don't even like the cutoff on my stock headlights. So no WAY would I ever stick hids in them. But I'm actually thinking of trying out HIDs in my fogs. My reasoning is this---the fog reflectors have a much sharper cutoff than the mains, so if I throw HIDs in them and aim them down, I should have a brighter setup than stock, without excessive glare to me or other drivers. Then I can save up for some 01-03 projector foglamps ($50 on ebay) if i really want to.

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