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Old 03-18-2011, 12:08 PM
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The newer Fords are quite reliable but the parts that make up the body and the interior are complete shit. I work at a body shop and we have to pull frames alot, back in the day you used to have to heat them up to bend them. Now you have to worry about actually tearing the frame apart especially on the newer fords because the frame rails are so thin.
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Old 03-18-2011, 12:18 PM
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The newer Fords are quite reliable but the parts that make up the body and the interior are complete shit. I work at a body shop and we have to pull frames alot, back in the day you used to have to heat them up to bend them. Now you have to worry about actually tearing the frame apart especially on the newer fords because the frame rails are so thin.
I whole heartedly disagree with the weak frame statement. the 04+ F-150's have the strongest frame that they've ever had in their history. My father has been in the automotive repair business and has run his own collision repair shop for over 30 years and even he has commented on how strong the frames and body structures are in the new fords. the 97-03 F-150's had a terribly weak structure and thats what got ford a bad rap in recent years, but its not the case anymore since ford completely re-designed the F-150's from the ground up in 04 and they have carried that over to there other vehicles too. when my father and i were re-building my totaled F-150 it took over 10 tons of hydraulic pressure just to push the rear cab structure around. everything about the newer fords are built with strength in mind and it was obvious to us during the rebuild because nothing was easy to bend on it. they are stout trucks.
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Old 03-18-2011, 12:47 PM
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ranger, and thats not biased, i know from experiance!
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Old 03-18-2011, 01:06 PM
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Ok, Ok...you all talked me into it...I'll buy a Ranger!! (Oh wait, I was smart enough to already do that!)
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Old 03-18-2011, 03:35 PM
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as far as cheapest to own and reliability id say the ranger has the edge. the colorado/ canyons arent known for being reliable and they arent cheap to buy, dodge is, well, dodge and they have fallen off the planet as far as reliability goes. toyota is god awful expensive to buy, the newer trucks havent lived up to the toyota reliability expectations and repairs are expensive on them.
I use to own DODGES I had 3 from the small dakotas to the big ram 5.9 they all did what I wanted from towing a trailer to hauling wood or what ever.The only thing I didnt like on the dakota was the 4.7 motor I thought it was under powered v8 also the tranny was weak on them otherwise they all were good oh another thing was they all were THRISTY!. The reason I have a ford now is I didnt want a s- 10 or another dakota and the Jap stuff is not something I want or would buy.
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Old 03-18-2011, 03:38 PM
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Tacoma-Ranger-Frontier-Dakota-Gm Canyon/Colo. I do believe that although the toyota has taken a small hit on terms of the new tacoma being the weak tailgates, waterpump probs and a reverse that wont work on 6spd Mannys. they are still the best in terms of fit and finish, off road capability, powertrain etc. The Ranger is so basic, that there is not much to break on it really. the Frontiers' fit and finish is iffy, and the v6's don't have that much of a good reputation, although the 4cyl (2.5L) is tried and true. The dodge, has some great engines and are built rugged, but the trannys are crap, and there are a lot of electrical gremlines, plus for the same price of a dako, you can have a ram and the ram will do the same fuel economy. The colorado is a p.o.s. in my opinion, I don't believe in impaired Inline engines, the V8 is mated to a 4 spd? wtf! and the 4 cyl is unreliable apparently. plus the Gm starts at like 27K, way to expensive.
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Old 03-18-2011, 03:51 PM
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id say the last 6-7 years ford has really stepped up their game in the quality department over what they were putting out in years prior.
Amen to that, Im Seriously impressed with their current line-up.

Too bad no more Rangers....
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Old 03-18-2011, 03:57 PM
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crowd, being a nissan freak that i am youve got the motors mixed up. the 2.5l qr25de has had a LOT of problems, most have been solved now, but still aren't 100% good. some ring sealing problems. the v6 vq40de is an excellent motor, very similar to a bored out older 350z motor. the older frontiers have some good motors, the ka24de (nissan 240sx motor, very strong, and reliable) and the vg33er (supercharged, larger displacement, older z-car motor). SUPER tough and overbuilt from the factory.
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Old 03-18-2011, 04:02 PM
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crowd, being a nissan freak that i am youve got the motors mixed up. the 2.5l qr25de has had a LOT of problems, most have been solved now, but still aren't 100% good. some ring sealing problems. the v6 vq40de is an excellent motor, very similar to a bored out older 350z motor. the older frontiers have some good motors, the ka24de (nissan 240sx motor, very strong, and reliable) and the vg33er (supercharged, larger displacement, older z-car motor). SUPER tough and overbuilt from the factory.
Just want to make sure I am not completetly in the dark here, isnt the 2.5 same one from the rogue, altima, sentra se-r spec v,etc, because I heard those engines were good, not as good as the the ole 2.4 from the 1980s to the early 2000s (dad had a nissan pick up a 1990 and a 2003 frontier with the 2.4l and they are great engines). The 3L was pretty decent (early 1990s to late 1990s) but had a tendency to overheat and teh 3.3L was weak, hard on gas and went through headgaskets. Thats just to my knowledge though
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Old 03-18-2011, 04:29 PM
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In the movie the Godfather, in the funeral scene was a pickup full of flowers. About a '56 Caddy. My choice.
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Old 03-18-2011, 04:39 PM
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Obviously, since this is a Ranger forum, I expect folks to be biased toward them, but objectively, which do you think is the best on the market "reliability-wise?"

Ranger? Tacoma? Colorado/Canyon? Frontier? Dodge (is it still Dakota?)
Objectively, you are mixing apples and oranges.

If you really wanted a fair comparaison, you'd have to go to the s10/s15/sonoma which were reliable trucks as well imo.


But the ranger isn't all that special; it's not hard to be reliable when you don't innovate.
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Old 03-18-2011, 05:25 PM
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Just want to make sure I am not completetly in the dark here, isnt the 2.5 same one from the rogue, altima, sentra se-r spec v,etc, because I heard those engines were good, not as good as the the ole 2.4 from the 1980s to the early 2000s (dad had a nissan pick up a 1990 and a 2003 frontier with the 2.4l and they are great engines). The 3L was pretty decent (early 1990s to late 1990s) but had a tendency to overheat and teh 3.3L was weak, hard on gas and went through headgaskets. Thats just to my knowledge though
it is indeed the same 2.5. they had HUGE issues with butterflies in the intake coming loose! and thus spitting screws and etc into the intake. they still have ring and sealing issues with the newer 2.5s. also the cranks had problems being only partially counter weighted or something of that nature. the vg33er isnt the same as the vg30de, which appeared in the mid to late 90s. the DE has DOHC, and had a different block. i hadnt heard much on bhgs for the vg33er, but, it is possible.
i just want one because of this:
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Old 03-18-2011, 05:30 PM
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it is indeed the same 2.5. they had HUGE issues with butterflies in the intake coming loose! and thus spitting screws and etc into the intake. they still have ring and sealing issues with the newer 2.5s. also the cranks had problems being only partially counter weighted or something of that nature. the vg33er isnt the same as the vg30de, which appeared in the mid to late 90s. the DE has DOHC, and had a different block. i hadnt heard much on bhgs for the vg33er, but, it is possible.
i just want one because of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWd3GYZOzOs
Thanks for the clarification. Cant beat the ole 2.4L. We had a 1995 Nissan pathfinder 3L with 97,000 Kms and it blew its headgasket. I also know someone who had a 2001 Xterra 3.3L who blew a headgasket at like 127,000 kms (not sure at the exact mileage).
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Old 03-18-2011, 05:32 PM
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FORD Ranger. Anything else is gay.
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Old 03-18-2011, 05:36 PM
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I put my 3.0 in a tree last summer. I was being an idiot and frikken smacked a stump and hit a tree. My ranger had a bent control arm and a busted shock. There was a baby little dent in the bumber. And a scratch on the fender. The truck at that point had my love. It is a durible ass truck and the abuse I put my trucks through.... I wouldn't get anything else
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