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Old 03-10-2011, 08:56 PM
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dont be hatin on metros i love them. my friend has a tracker and a metro wedrove that thing everywhere jumped it tons of times hit snow banks dooin 45mph car would not die. 3cly 5 speed 4 door heres a pic of her wrecked but fixed now and still wont die
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Old 03-10-2011, 11:11 PM
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I can counter that whole argument with one step that all eco hippies never seem to want to include in their speeches: how biofuels are made. The process in itself pollutes immensely, and it takes away massive parts of lands that were once or could be growing crops for nourishment.

Want a good example of a corrupt country that places the greed of a few in front of the hunger and poverty of many? Brazil.

Hybrids are a different monster. They can be very efficient, but you need to be in the ideal area, no such place in canada.

As i said, europe got the hint that you can make a cleaner more efficient petrol engine, we'll prob get our first in 5-10 years?
for the most part "biofuels" are "clean." the system is not perfect but its a step in a better direction than where we are currently headed. i know that small scale production using cooking oils is very clean compared to other fuels.
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Old 03-12-2011, 12:10 AM
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If Biofuels are produced with renewable energy like solar, wind, hydro, etc. then they are certainly efficient enough. If you intend to make biofuel by burning fossil fuel then that is dumb.

For those that think that diesels don't perform, you should really take a ride in my Touareg sometime. It is the perfect powerband for heavier vehicles like trucks and SUVs and though rated only 18/25mpg I always get better than 20 around town and generally better than 27 on the H/W unless I am fighting lots of wind.

I am sold on clean diesel for specific applications.
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Old 03-12-2011, 02:14 AM
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for the most part "biofuels" are "clean." the system is not perfect but its a step in a better direction than where we are currently headed. i know that small scale production using cooking oils is very clean compared to other fuels.
Cooking oil is awesome, but that's on a very small scale, like one or two cars per restaurant. Plus you have to completely ignore how they were processed to make such a statement.


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If Biofuels are produced with renewable energy like solar, wind, hydro, etc. then they are certainly efficient enough. If you intend to make biofuel by burning fossil fuel then that is dumb.

For those that think that diesels don't perform, you should really take a ride in my Touareg sometime. It is the perfect powerband for heavier vehicles like trucks and SUVs and though rated only 18/25mpg I always get better than 20 around town and generally better than 27 on the H/W unless I am fighting lots of wind.

I am sold on clean diesel for specific applications.
Biofuels cannot be produced with any kind of renewable resource.



http://www.earth-policy.org/index.ph...0_datarelease6

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The 107 million tons of grain that went to U.S. ethanol distilleries in 2009 was enough to feed 330 million people for one year at average world consumption levels. More than a quarter of the total U.S. grain crop was turned into ethanol to fuel cars last year

http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/...6AL3CN20101122

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Total U.S. ethanol subsidies reached $7.7 billion last year according to the International Energy Industry, which said biofuels worldwide received more subsidies than any other form of renewable energy.

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Ethanol derived from corn consumes up to three times more water than previously thought, according to a new study. Corn ethanol is already plagued by environmental concerns such as pollution from fertilizer, pesticides, and herbicides; soil erosion; greenhouse-gas emissions from production; and competition for agricultural land with food crops. Ethanol consumes more water over time as corn production extends to regions that need extensive irrigation

http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/...ostly.ssl.html

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In terms of energy output compared with energy input for ethanol production, the study found that:

* corn requires 29 percent more fossil energy than the fuel produced;
* switch grass requires 45 percent more fossil energy than the fuel produced; and
* wood biomass requires 57 percent more fossil energy than the fuel produced.

In terms of energy output compared with the energy input for biodiesel production, the study found that:

* soybean plants requires 27 percent more fossil energy than the fuel produced, and
* sunflower plants requires 118 percent more fossil energy than the fuel produced.
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Old 03-12-2011, 11:45 PM
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Biofuels cannot be produced with any kind of renewable resource.

Says who? Are you saying you can't use electricity to ferment biofuel?
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Old 03-12-2011, 11:53 PM
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Says who? Are you saying you can't use electricity to ferment biofuel?
Think about which means you will produce electricity.
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Old 03-13-2011, 10:42 AM
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i have family in manhattan kansas and they said there is one guy who ones a smart car. they said everyone views him as the town idiot because he drives a city vehicle in a truck/suv area.
how does driving a smart car make him an idiot if he doesn't need a truck or suv? 60 mpg is awesome

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I can counter that whole argument with one step that all eco hippies never seem to want to include in their speeches: how biofuels are made. The process in itself pollutes immensely, and it takes away massive parts of lands that were once or could be growing crops for nourishment.

Want a good example of a corrupt country that places the greed of a few in front of the hunger and poverty of many? Brazil.

Hybrids are a different monster. They can be very efficient, but you need to be in the ideal area, no such place in canada.

As i said, europe got the hint that you can make a cleaner more efficient petrol engine, we'll prob get our first in 5-10 years?
did you miss the part where I said we can use plant waste? And how is making biofuels more polluting than what we do now ?
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Old 03-14-2011, 01:58 PM
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cuz its the area, lots of open space for high speeds and long drives, trucks are perfect

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Think about which means you will produce electricity.
solar and wind turbines would do the trick. overtime solar can actually allow you to sell electricity to the power companies, or atleast out here on the left coast.
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Old 03-14-2011, 02:48 PM
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solar and wind turbines would do the trick. overtime solar can actually allow you to sell electricity to the power companies, or atleast out here on the left coast.
Maybe in the future, when technology evolves, but we're talking about now. Wind sucks, unless you're in an ideal area. I live in one and we haven't bothered with it because of the low output.

Besides, none of the two are reliable.
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