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Old 03-06-2011, 03:44 AM
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Don't think I would consider a gas/diesel swap but the fact we don't do "clean turbo diesel" engines in this country in pickups and SUVs is simply a mistake.
We don't do anything clean in america lol.

In Europe, they are used to 4 cyl petrol engines that do 50+mpg, diesel doesn't hold the same argument it did 20 years ago, hybrids are also a huge disappointment (especially in canada).
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We don't do anything clean in america lol.

In Europe, they are used to 4 cyl petrol engines that do 50+mpg, diesel doesn't hold the same argument it did 20 years ago, hybrids are also a huge disappointment (especially in canada).
Those small gas (petrol in Europe) engines are stupid tiny cars that American's wouldn't drive though. That's what sucks. Honestly, I'd take one, I don't need a huge vehicle to commute in every day. Diesel is still king though. Diesel engines actually require less maintenance if properly cared for. So replacement parts might be more expensive, but diesel's are built to a tougher standard because of the stresses the engines are put under due to their nature.
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Don't think I would consider a gas/diesel swap but the fact we don't do "clean turbo diesel" engines in this country in pickups and SUVs is simply a mistake. I have a VW Touareg TDI and the thing is just amazing. Rated 18/25 I consistently get better than 20/27 in a 5500lb. SUV and I don't drive conservatively. In a small truck you'd be like 23/30 easy and done right it would put out less emissions than a gasser. Plus the thing scoots with all that torque. Jeep tried it but had the gears wrong. I am sold on the technology.
look at what ford has in europe and argentina..... diesel rangers.... i know here in california the price of diesel jumped because the "environmentalist" (mental.....) said current diesel is dirty and needed to be "cleaned." most modern diesel burn so clean this is redundant and unneeded, especially in european turbo diesel imports. but thats also the glory of a diesel... if you can get a bomb proof diesel you can burn anything with a lower flashpoint if the need ever arises, hopefully no time soon..... to give an example of this, us marines burn jap rice wine in wwii for the duece and a halfs. this is an extreme that should be stayed away from since that will ruin your engine but the possibility is there.

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most trannys are compatible if you get the right bellhousing...
so no further mods other than the bell housing, i know a new rear is in order for what i want, probably something with a limit bit more slip since im not racing in the desert or rock crawling, im towing and hunting
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look at what ford has in europe and argentina..... diesel rangers.... i know here in california the price of diesel jumped because the "environmentalist" (mental.....) said current diesel is dirty and needed to be "cleaned." most modern diesel burn so clean this is redundant and unneeded, especially in european turbo diesel imports. but thats also the glory of a diesel... if you can get a bomb proof diesel you can burn anything with a lower flashpoint if the need ever arises, hopefully no time soon..... to give an example of this, us marines burn jap rice wine in wwii for the duece and a halfs. this is an extreme that should be stayed away from since that will ruin your engine but the possibility is there.
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so no further mods other than the bell housing, i know a new rear is in order for what i want, probably something with a limit bit more slip since im not racing in the desert or rock crawling, im towing and hunting
The dueces in WW II are gas powered just so you know, and they had to adjust the timing to run stuff like that. Later on towards Nam they became diesel. Also the dueces that are designed to run on anything, you often had to retard or advance the timing depending on what you put in, you can't just add flammable liquid to tank and press the go pedal. Ethanol is really moonshine, it has an additive so you won't drink it though.
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Those small gas (petrol in Europe) engines are stupid tiny cars that American's wouldn't drive though. That's what sucks. Honestly, I'd take one, I don't need a huge vehicle to commute in every day. Diesel is still king though. Diesel engines actually require less maintenance if properly cared for. So replacement parts might be more expensive, but diesel's are built to a tougher standard because of the stresses the engines are put under due to their nature.
I can't remember if it was 5th gear or top gear, one of them tested them.. I'll try to find it. As far as size go, can you really tell me that americans wouldn't buy them, considering all the fiestas, priuses, yaris, fits, mazda2s, aveos, minis, smarts.. you get the point lol.

Diesel and hybrid technologies are no longer the best arguments, it's just that us americans are not allowed to catch up to the rest of the class.


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I can't remember if it was 5th gear or top gear, one of them tested them.. I'll try to find it. As far as size go, can you really tell me that americans wouldn't buy them, considering all the fiestas, priuses, yaris, fits, mazda2s, aveos, minis, smarts.. you get the point lol.

Diesel and hybrid technologies are no longer the best arguments, it's just that us americans are not allowed to catch up to the rest of the class.


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How are diesels not the best argument? We can run them on sugar beats. As much as I hate hybrids, you put a diesel and a hybrid running on biofuel, I think we have solved our issue.

Second note...I have never seen a Mazda 2
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How are diesels not the best argument? We can run them on sugar beats. As much as I hate hybrids, you put a diesel and a hybrid running on biofuel, I think we have solved our issue.

Second note...I have never seen a Mazda 2
Diesel cost more, and don't give the same performances as regular engines.

Hybrids consume as much, at times more than regular engines in cooler areas.

Biofuel is not the solution, considering the energy needed to produce it, and the land that could have been used to grow food for our sustainance instead. Biofuel has a direct relation with the major spikes in prices for consumables.


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The dueces in WW II are gas powered just so you know, and they had to adjust the timing to run stuff like that. Later on towards Nam they became diesel. Also the dueces that are designed to run on anything, you often had to retard or advance the timing depending on what you put in, you can't just add flammable liquid to tank and press the go pedal. Ethanol is really moonshine, it has an additive so you won't drink it though.
thank you for the correction, but it still gets the flashpoint idea across
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i still think diesel is far superior than petroleum ie gasoline. sure it may cost more but if your getting your moneys worth out of it who cares.... im gonna use a horse analogy since the prices of hay have been going up alot.... alfalfa here costs $15.99 and bermuda grass costs $13.99. now horses, gots, cows, etc... dont eat all the aflafa, especialy if its a stemy bale so essentially your buying half a bale, almost all bermuda is consumed. these bales are complimentary, however, there are alternative hays and grasses that give you more for the $ such as oat hay, 3way, orchard, and timothy. yah these cost more but atleast you are getting more for your money. so for $30+ you are 75% of what you pay for while other hays such as timothy and orchard may cost $5-$10 your getting all the bales worth. not using this, i payed say $3.73 sunday night, cost me $90+ to fill my tank. diesel costs anywhere form $4.07 to $4.25, so itd cost me give or take $100+ to fill my tank. but heres the kicker, i get 23-24 mpg on a good tank, diesel would get me anywhere from say 27-30+ mpg (i heard a rumor the 2012 ranger, which is sadly not coming here..., gets 40 mpg) depending on how i drive and shift. so... id be getting a few more miles for about $.40 +/- more. in terms of performance, well it is diesel so it wont accelerate like a gasoline vehicle, but whats the point if you driving economically, its not like we need 10 sec car performance out of a small pick up anyways. plus the added torque is definantly a plus. the one down side is the cost of maintence.... but if you take care of your vehicle, these prices should be few and far between, and if you have the oppurtunity, you can take a diesel mechanic class at most community collleges, though some of the computers and such needed for the newer engines would cost alot.

my father has a 2005 f250 and has had hardly any problems. the one problem weve had ford fixed no questions asked (turbo charger blew towing a 27' camper trailer). but thats it, weve had more problems with my mothers bmw x3 than my fathers f250. it is definantly worth it.

to address why us americans wont on a whole endorse the idea is i think most thinks diesel are these loud dirty vehicles, no so anymore especially with how clean burning the bmws, volvos, and vws are. and now that toyota bought the diesel truck part of izuzu, theres only more to come to the diesel truck market.

sorry this is so long....
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I can't remember if it was 5th gear or top gear, one of them tested them.. I'll try to find it. As far as size go, can you really tell me that americans wouldn't buy them, considering all the fiestas, priuses, yaris, fits, mazda2s, aveos, minis, smarts.. you get the point lol.

Diesel and hybrid technologies are no longer the best arguments, it's just that us americans are not allowed to catch up to the rest of the class.


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and I dont understand it!Every pres.just hates DIESEL for some reason the current clown we have wants electric cars yeah that will go over big! with a 2,000 battery that dosent last more then 2 yrs!!!I read something interesting about diesel in diesel power mag. that there some new type other then bio that not as weak as bio diesel but it's together with the ones in brazil with suger cane right now they are doing testing on it I hope it's the real deal.
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and I dont understand it!Every pres.just hates DIESEL for some reason the current clown we have wants electric cars yeah that will go over big! with a 2,000 battery that dosent last more then 2 yrs!!!I read something interesting about diesel in diesel power mag. that there some new type other then bio that not as weak as bio diesel but it's together with the ones in brazil with suger cane right now they are doing testing on it I hope it's the real deal.
Biofuels aren't the solution, they are costly in so many ways, you can't only look at the end product, you have to consider all aspects.

An alternative is never a good one when the one it replaces is better.
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Biofuels aren't the solution, they are costly in so many ways, you can't only look at the end product, you have to consider all aspects.

An alternative is never a good one when the one it replaces is better.
recyling cooking oil???? how expensive can that be....
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Let me kill a few myths.

Diesel engines can produce the same power as any gas engine in a smaller size. there are more BTU's in a gallon of diesel then a gallon of gasoline. Diesel burns cleaner, as well as more efficiently due to the nature in which it is fired.

Biofuels, do not need to be made out of food. We can make them out of the left over parts of plants, weeds, tree pulp, think of it this way - if it grows in nature we can turn it into a biofuel. We can even turn trash into a pulp that can be turned into biodiesel. Brazil uses biofuels, in fact it is illegal to sell anything that does not contain a biofuel in Brazil. It is actually really efficient from what they have done. They grow the crops locally and refine locally around their communities, and once it is implemented it was relatively cheap to produce biofuels. You want to know why hydrogen isn't feasible, you can't make it appear everywhere, it takes certain processes. Biofuels you can. So want to explain to me how they won't work?

I don't mean to kill your thought Pat. But I live, eat, breath and poop diesel. Everything takes money to get off the ground, but after the initial hit of changing the infrastructure the price comes down like anything else. Also, hybrids are not what they were touted to be. I agree, but also in the US and Canada, we don't drive in their optimal range. They are really designed for creeping city blocks. Doing 70 on the Interstate is not what a hybrid is for, the electric engines won't even kick in then! So if you are in the city. You have a win there, especially if you put a diesel in it. After all prius 45 mpg, VW TDI 55 mpg, what now Japan, lick it!
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Let me kill a few myths.

Diesel engines can produce the same power as any gas engine in a smaller size. there are more BTU's in a gallon of diesel then a gallon of gasoline. Diesel burns cleaner, as well as more efficiently due to the nature in which it is fired.

Biofuels, do not need to be made out of food. We can make them out of the left over parts of plants, weeds, tree pulp, think of it this way - if it grows in nature we can turn it into a biofuel. We can even turn trash into a pulp that can be turned into biodiesel. Brazil uses biofuels, in fact it is illegal to sell anything that does not contain a biofuel in Brazil. It is actually really efficient from what they have done. They grow the crops locally and refine locally around their communities, and once it is implemented it was relatively cheap to produce biofuels. You want to know why hydrogen isn't feasible, you can't make it appear everywhere, it takes certain processes. Biofuels you can. So want to explain to me how they won't work?

I don't mean to kill your thought Pat. But I live, eat, breath and poop diesel. Everything takes money to get off the ground, but after the initial hit of changing the infrastructure the price comes down like anything else. Also, hybrids are not what they were touted to be. I agree, but also in the US and Canada, we don't drive in their optimal range. They are really designed for creeping city blocks. Doing 70 on the Interstate is not what a hybrid is for, the electric engines won't even kick in then! So if you are in the city. You have a win there, especially if you put a diesel in it. After all prius 45 mpg, VW TDI 55 mpg, what now Japan, lick it!
i have family in manhattan kansas and they said there is one guy who ones a smart car. they said everyone views him as the town idiot because he drives a city vehicle in a truck/suv area.
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Let me kill a few myths.

Diesel engines can produce the same power as any gas engine in a smaller size. there are more BTU's in a gallon of diesel then a gallon of gasoline. Diesel burns cleaner, as well as more efficiently due to the nature in which it is fired.

Biofuels, do not need to be made out of food. We can make them out of the left over parts of plants, weeds, tree pulp, think of it this way - if it grows in nature we can turn it into a biofuel. We can even turn trash into a pulp that can be turned into biodiesel. Brazil uses biofuels, in fact it is illegal to sell anything that does not contain a biofuel in Brazil. It is actually really efficient from what they have done. They grow the crops locally and refine locally around their communities, and once it is implemented it was relatively cheap to produce biofuels. You want to know why hydrogen isn't feasible, you can't make it appear everywhere, it takes certain processes. Biofuels you can. So want to explain to me how they won't work?

I don't mean to kill your thought Pat. But I live, eat, breath and poop diesel. Everything takes money to get off the ground, but after the initial hit of changing the infrastructure the price comes down like anything else. Also, hybrids are not what they were touted to be. I agree, but also in the US and Canada, we don't drive in their optimal range. They are really designed for creeping city blocks. Doing 70 on the Interstate is not what a hybrid is for, the electric engines won't even kick in then! So if you are in the city. You have a win there, especially if you put a diesel in it. After all prius 45 mpg, VW TDI 55 mpg, what now Japan, lick it!
I can counter that whole argument with one step that all eco hippies never seem to want to include in their speeches: how biofuels are made. The process in itself pollutes immensely, and it takes away massive parts of lands that were once or could be growing crops for nourishment.

Want a good example of a corrupt country that places the greed of a few in front of the hunger and poverty of many? Brazil.

Hybrids are a different monster. They can be very efficient, but you need to be in the ideal area, no such place in canada.

As i said, europe got the hint that you can make a cleaner more efficient petrol engine, we'll prob get our first in 5-10 years?
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