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Old 01-14-2011, 06:56 PM
toyoracing toyoracing is offline
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Default '01 Ranger 3.0 to 3.8 S/C questions

Has anyone ever swapped a 3.8 engine from say a Thunderbird/Cougar S/C into a Ranger? I was talking about it to a friend of mine the other day and I was curious about how much work would be involved. I know there's not much power to be gained from the swap, but the whine of a supercharger is more than enough of a reason for me to justify the swap. Plus you don't have that extra 100LBS of weight over the front axle if you did a 3.0 to V8 swap.

I would think it would be a good idea since you can find complete engines with dressings and ECU's for no more than maybe 900 dollars and you're saving quite a lot of weight. Plus there's really no advantage in swapping a V8 in my opinion when you think about it. Because lets do the math. An early to late 80's 5.0 302 ''High Output'' produced a mild 215-250HP, and the late 90's to early 2000's produced at most 290HP, but obviously these ratings are probably off a fair bit. Now the 3.8 only made about 250HP at most, but when you think about the fact that the 5.0's engine weighs probably in the neighborhood of 100LBS more, then the phrase ''grams equal pounds and pounds equals miles'' (An Airborn Ranger saying meant to imply that less weight means longer travel) comes to mind.

I would just like someones opinion because I'm going to start working on my Ranger this month again and I was thinking about going to a salvage yard that I visited down the road the other day and see if I could pick off one of their 3.8's out of 1 of the 9 Supercoupes sitting in their yard. The engines have less than 80K miles on them, so I know they're good. This yard likes to stock Ford specialty parts as best they can and I just think it would be quite a lot better to do this instead of a V8 since these are already supercharged, they're lighter, and there isn't much fabrication involved as far as motormounts, stiffer suspension and all that ''fun'' stuff.

But as stated I was just curious on anyones opinion and whether or not it's been done before.
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Old 01-14-2011, 11:11 PM
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Default Re: '01 Ranger 3.0 to 3.8 S/C questions

There is no replacement for displacement.
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Old 01-14-2011, 11:36 PM
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Default Re: '01 Ranger 3.0 to 3.8 S/C questions

Why not SC your 3.0 or drop a 4.0 in with a SC in the long run itll be cheaper and more power if you dont want a V8.
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Old 01-16-2011, 09:25 AM
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Default Re: '01 Ranger 3.0 to 3.8 S/C questions

As a response to the ''no replacement for displacement'' firstly, that statement is true to some degree. If I really wanted performance and a V8 with big displacement, I would go the route of a 4.6 from say a Mercury Marauder, Ford Mustang GT/Cobra, Ford Crownvictoria with the police intercepter package or even a Lincoln M8. Any of those engines produced more than 300HP and are plentiful, and they take well to bolt ons. But, again, the problem is that the truck was never meant to handle a V8, and the added weight along with the added HP and Torque will put a lot of strain on the weak frame, and all other componants.

And that's the problem I want to avoid. Is weight and all the fabrication of having to stuff a V8 into a engine bay designed for a 4CYL or V6.

And as a response to just working on the 3.0L that's in my truck now, or dropping in a 4.0L. I have pondered that quite a lot, and I have worked on my 3.0 since I bought the truck back in September. But, 150HP stock (as rated on Edmunds.com) and the 200 I was putting to the wheels after adding a CAI, exhaust, and tune just isn't doing it for me anymore. And as a whole, the 3.0 is just too brittle of an engine to work on as far as SC it goes, because it's high compression already, and 3.0's don't take kindly to forced induction. And the gains of dropping in a 4.0 to me just don't seem worth it, because there's just as much fab work needing to be done dropping a 4.0 N/A in as there would be if I dropped a 3.8 SC. And lets be honest, that's cheap HP when you consider that all you have to do to make more power is get smaller pulleys, tune it, and if that's not enough, just build it up and use the same M90 supercharger that came with it
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Old 01-16-2011, 09:40 AM
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Default Re: '01 Ranger 3.0 to 3.8 S/C questions

sounds like an interesting idea, im mostly wondering if the bellhousing for the stock trans would bolt up to the 3.8, and if stuff like the motor mounts would be the same? if it could be dropped in without alot of headaches i'd do it. something differant for sure. is the truck in question a 4x4 or a 2wd?
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Old 01-16-2011, 09:43 AM
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Default Re: '01 Ranger 3.0 to 3.8 S/C questions

well make a custom bellhousing and go at it!

i dont agree with the whole 3.0 not taking F/I well,

there was a guy on the probe forums, (i have a 3.0 probe) that was twincharged (turbo and s/c) and he drove the piss out of it, with the right work itll work, they are a reliable motor to start with...
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Old 01-16-2011, 09:47 AM
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Default Re: '01 Ranger 3.0 to 3.8 S/C questions

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And as a response to just working on the 3.0L that's in my truck now, or dropping in a 4.0L. I have pondered that quite a lot, and I have worked on my 3.0 since I bought the truck back in September. But, 150HP stock (as rated on Edmunds.com) and the 200 I was putting to the wheels after adding a CAI, exhaust, and tune just isn't doing it for me anymore. And as a whole, the 3.0 is just too brittle of an engine to work on as far as SC it goes, because it's high compression already, and 3.0's don't take kindly to forced induction. And the gains of dropping in a 4.0 to me just don't seem worth it, because there's just as much fab work needing to be done dropping a 4.0 N/A in as there would be if I dropped a 3.8 SC. And lets be honest, that's cheap HP when you consider that all you have to do to make more power is get smaller pulleys, tune it, and if that's not enough, just build it up and use the same M90 supercharger that came with it
Your 3.0 makes 148 hp stock, and 180 ft lbs of torque... a 4.0 makes 207hp and 238 ft lbs of torque...

If you say there's not much difference between the two, then you haven't driven a ranger with a 4.0 in it. The 3.0 is a dog. I must say, I laughed a bit when you say you're putting 200hp to the GROUND after CAI, Exhaust and tune?!?!?!?!?!? I don't think so.

How do you figure putting a 3.8 sc which doesn't belong in your truck the same amount of fab work that putting a 4.0 that does belong in your truck is. The point of everyone here is that if you're gonna fab in an engine that doesn't belong, you may as well go big or go home... not an antiquated 3.8 from a supercoupe.

Sounds like you've made up your mind already though.. So do what you're gonna do..

PS hit up a dyno.. I want to see those numbers hahahahaa
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Old 01-17-2011, 08:29 AM
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Default Re: '01 Ranger 3.0 to 3.8 S/C questions

Lol the phrase that comes to mind as a response to the nay sayers is "you do it because you want to not because its logical." Because if I had it my way I would shove in a 4.6L from a cobra..but since I want to do something a little different I want to shove a 3.8 in there...no its not the best engine choice. But its a good one. Parts are plentiful they're easy to find for what equates to pocket change and they're also still fuel injected.

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Though since I still have not quite made my mind up I was wanting to check out how much it would be to sc the 3.0...I've been told that a 3.0 can take about 5 to 6 punds of boost before all its kinks start to show like blowing headgaskets pinging and very possible detonation. This upcoming weekend I'm going to talk to a shop that I frequented back when I boosted my 02 f150 in 2010 to see what tthey would suggest to boost my ranger
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Old 01-17-2011, 12:40 PM
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Default Re: '01 Ranger 3.0 to 3.8 S/C questions

You have all the answers. I'm unsure of the reason for this post.
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Old 01-17-2011, 03:49 PM
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Default Re: '01 Ranger 3.0 to 3.8 S/C questions

I mostly posted to see if there was anyone else that's thought of this idea, or has actually gone through with it. And what modifications, or problems I should be looking out for. I have a friend that has a wrecked '02 Ranger 2WD like mine but it's black. The engine bay is fine and so therefore he's going to let me use that when I can to mock everything into place. I really need to invest in a camera though, this is goofy not having a way to post pictures. I am probably getting a good deal on a engine+transmission+wiring harness+ecu off of craigslist. A guy's selling a 3.8 S/C from a 90's Supercoupe with less than 64k miles on it, I checked it out Sunday and it's a legit engine...fires up, no play with the supercharger, the transmission shifts fine. I'm only paying 300 dollars for it all because he plans on shoving a...drumroll please...5.0 into the car and sees no reason to keep it around. He said the only problem with the supercharger is that he thinks someone put lighter pulleys on it (all the pulleys were shiney aluminum as opposed to the OE black) but that could possibly be a good thing if he has the right ones.
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Old 01-17-2011, 09:34 PM
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Default Re: '01 Ranger 3.0 to 3.8 S/C questions

I would like to say thanks to all whom had input, whether positive or negative. I went to Hawkins Speed Shop today and a gentlemen who runs their dyno and does the tuning for them directed me to a guy a town over that races and swears by Ford V6's, so Friday when I get off work I'm going to check this guy out and see if their suggestions have any merit to them. And today while I was on the ''thinkin stool'' a really crazy idea came to mind...is it possible to get ahold of a 3.7 crate engine from a 2011 Ford Mustang? Just curious, I know for probably 6 or 7 grand it wouldn't be worth it, but that for me would be something to see
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