ranger vs f150 - Page 3

SpitfireEMT · #31 11-10-2010, 10:34 AM

^^
This is why I hang around this forum. That is one of the best things I've read and reaffirms the dedication I have to Ford. My fiancées Caddy has been a HUGE pain in my ass since day one. My Ranger hasn't needed anything beyond normal maintenance and the occasional balljoint or skidplate. Dont even get me started on simplicity of repair either, Front brakes on my ranger w/ABS, takes 45 minutes for disc and pad swap with hand tools. Her caddy took me 3 hours. Its over-complex, proprietary, and retarded.
/rant
Sorry, I get wound up over ignorant engineering decisions and how ridiculously hard it is to do general maintenance on GMs.

Chris · #32 11-11-2010, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by mike360000

My 2011 Ranger: 4 door super cab, 4wd, xlt package...
etc. Has everything "BUT" cd changer, chrome package,
bed liner, remote start. (Maybe one other thing I'm forgetting?)
Anyhow the sticker with freight was
$27995.00 . Then add prep, tax and tags. Bottom line
was my trade in, kept 1k of rebates and paid $20,646.00
for the truck. Oh, they included painting my camper and
installing it on my Ranger. (Was a nice paint job.)

No one ever replied as to why Ford went back to drums
on their new global truck? But yeah, drums sucky
really bad!

As for GM, Government Motors or as I call them,
g*d d*amn motors, I despise that company with a purple
passion. They stand for practically every last thing that
Ford doesn't! Well their philosophy is different.

As for their problems, here's a few that GM hid and
swept under their rug. Bad auto transmissions by the
tens of thousands. Mis-matched transmissions in
engine, model combos. The quick make over of a gas
engine to diesel. Engines gave problems the whole time.
Bad paint. Rusting bodies. Engines wearing out
prematurely. Water leaks by the tens of thousands.
Covering up sub safety standards. Shoddy interiors,
not holding up. Electrical problems, including the lights.
(Again a problem tens of thousands of vehicles.)
And I can go on......

GM was founded by the original people who first
funded Henry Ford. Ford fell out with them over
the Cadillac. The investors wanting an expensive car
that made big money. They also didn't give a shit about
quality and Henry was nuts over quality! They parted,
with the Cadillac as the first brand of the future GM.

Then comes along Harry Chevrolet. Another greedy
bastard who shared the same or similar philosophy
as the investors. The investors needed a good
auto engineer and so Chevrolet was made a partner.
Chevrolet brought greed to new heights by starting
the advertising which made people feel guilty over
having a vehicle a couple years old. He started the
yearly facelifts of vehicles to drive home the fact that
it was new and improved and anyone not trading
for a new Chevy was "behind the times".

Yes, those fools were a match for each other!
And ole man Henry would only shake his head at
what he perceived as greedy non-sense...

Sure is odd how Ford can be singled out for the
most minor of flaws and hung for them while GM
gets away with theft and more!

As I said the philosophies of the 2 companies are
completely opposite. And at least I can take a little
heart and feel better over the fact that the philosophy
of Henry at least survives enough today at Ford, so
I have been able to smile and say Henry was right.
That my philosophy is also right, because of
g*d d*mn motors bankruptcy proves they are insanely
wrong! Did I tell anyone how bad I hate GM?

Mike

Loads of people like drum brakes though. That is the truth. Drum brakes do wear out a lot less, then the actual disc. The bad thing with drums was that the springs and crap like that wore out, and caused a big pain. Less parts on a disc brake assembly, but the springs and shit was easy to replace. You could replace the springs for cheap, just a pain and a lot of no how required to do so. Disc is expensive to replace, rotors are expensive, calipers are expensive. I know there is different pros and cons to each. I don't think it'll matter to most. Disc seems like a great idea, but in some base model options I can see the need for just drums.

mike360000 · #33 11-11-2010, 09:31 AM

"Loads of people like drum brakes though. That is the truth. Drum brakes do wear out a lot less, then the actual disc. The bad thing with drums was that the springs and crap like that wore out, and caused a big pain. Less parts on a disc brake assembly, but the springs and shit was easy to replace. You could replace the springs for cheap, just a pain and a lot of no how required to do so. Disc is expensive to replace, rotors are expensive, calipers are expensive. I know there is different pros and cons to each. I don't think it'll matter to most. Disc seems like a great idea, but in some base model options I can see the need for just drums. "

I've changed out dozens and dozens of drum and disc brakes.
I don't mind running drums but discs are better and there is
ABSOLUTELY no denying that.

For some reason I've noticed Ford vehicles are always harder
on rotors than anything else I have worked on concerning
brakes. Rotors on most models will warp at some point,
regardless of mileage. Their trucks are particularly bad, but
there is always those exceptions.

Mike

Chris · #34 11-12-2010, 09:11 AM

Ford weighs a lot though. Example my buddy has a 04 silverado Z71, his truck weighs like 2000lb's lighter then what mine does. When we worked the farm we had scales the F250's out weigh the 2500 silverado's. My 2004 Ford Ranger weighed according to the door like 6000lb's.. My F150 says on the door it weighs 7800 and I am sure that was before it was filled with fuel, and fluids. Heavier the vehicle the harder it is on the brakes. If you pull a trailer with no trailer brakes and a heavy load, it will eat the trucks brakes and rotors alive.

Drums may not be as good on stopping and all that, and can be just as problematic, but I know for a fact that drums last way longer then disc brakes, as for as the shoes go. I know that when I had my shoes replaced on the rear end of my ranger which had drum in the back, they weren't worn at all, in fact the shoes weren't what was causing the issue, it was the adjuster that had broke, and come lose because it wore out. It was cheap to fix, the parts were less then 10 bucks.

01_ranger_4x4 · #35 11-12-2010, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris

Ford weighs a lot though. Example my buddy has a 04 silverado Z71, his truck weighs like 2000lb's lighter then what mine does. When we worked the farm we had scales the F250's out weigh the 2500 silverado's. My 2004 Ford Ranger weighed according to the door like 6000lb's.. My F150 says on the door it weighs 7800 and I am sure that was before it was filled with fuel, and fluids. Heavier the vehicle the harder it is on the brakes. If you pull a trailer with no trailer brakes and a heavy load, it will eat the trucks brakes and rotors alive.

Drums may not be as good on stopping and all that, and can be just as problematic, but I know for a fact that drums last way longer then disc brakes, as for as the shoes go. I know that when I had my shoes replaced on the rear end of my ranger which had drum in the back, they weren't worn at all, in fact the shoes weren't what was causing the issue, it was the adjuster that had broke, and come lose because it wore out. It was cheap to fix, the parts were less then 10 bucks.

those weight numbers arent what your truck weights, those are the GVWR meaning thats how much the truck CAN safely weigh including all the fluids, passengers and cargo. My crew cab F-150's curb weight it 5300 pounds but the GVWR is 7200 and my ranger weights 3650 pounds with a 5300 pound GVWR. subtract the curb weight from the GVWR and you get the payload rating of your truck. the reason the numbers are so different between ford and chevy is because the fords typically have a higher payload load rating.

Craftsman · #36 11-12-2010, 09:53 AM

Chris those must be GVWR. 150's DON't weigh 7800 lbs and Rangers certainly don't weigh 6000lbs. The Max GVWR on my 2006 F350 Crew Cab Diesel is 11,400 lbs. The Max GVWR rating on the 2011 4x4 Ranger with the 4.0L is only 5,280. That's people fuel, cargo etc. but your point about brakes is well taken.

Chris · #37 11-12-2010, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by 01_ranger_4x4

those weight numbers arent what your truck weights, those are the GVWR meaning thats how much the truck CAN safely weigh including all the fluids, passengers and cargo. My crew cab F-150's curb weight it 5300 pounds but the GVWR is 7200 and my ranger weights 3650 pounds with a 5300 pound GVWR. subtract the curb weight from the GVWR and you get the payload rating of your truck. the reason the numbers are so different between ford and chevy is because the fords typically have a higher payload load rating.

I just got back from the city dump. I emptied my bed. My truck weighed 7820lbs EXACTLY. GVWR means Gross Vehicle Weight Rating, meaning rather you like it or not the vehicles total weight that includes front and back added up. Mine also tells the front GVWR, and the Rear GVWR. My truck is a super crew 4dr, and not an extended cab.

People often confuse what GVWR. I am sure my vehicle can tow far more then 7800lbs. The payload rating according to my MANUAL with this setup on this truck is 11000lb's and that'd be on a trailer.

You guys are thinking of GCWR

red_rider · #38 11-12-2010, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris

I just got back from the city dump. I emptied my bed. My truck weighed 7820lbs EXACTLY. GVWR means Gross Vehicle Weight Rating, meaning rather you like it or not the vehicles total weight that includes front and back added up. Mine also tells the front GVWR, and the Rear GVWR. My truck is a super crew 4dr, and not an extended cab.

People often confuse what GVWR. I am sure my vehicle can tow far more then 7800lbs. The payload rating according to my MANUAL with this setup on this truck is 11000lb's and that'd be on a trailer.

You guys are thinking of GCWR

It says in your sig you have an 04 F-150 correct? And you're in fact saying it weighs 7820 lb empty?? I must be missing something here.

01_ranger_4x4 · #39 11-12-2010, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris

I just got back from the city dump. I emptied my bed. My truck weighed 7820lbs EXACTLY. GVWR means Gross Vehicle Weight Rating, meaning rather you like it or not the vehicles total weight that includes front and back added up. Mine also tells the front GVWR, and the Rear GVWR. My truck is a super crew 4dr, and not an extended cab.

People often confuse what GVWR. I am sure my vehicle can tow far more then 7800lbs. The payload rating according to my MANUAL with this setup on this truck is 11000lb's and that'd be on a trailer.

You guys are thinking of GCWR

youre wrong. the GCWR is the combined trailer AND truck/ cargo weight, not the combined cargo/ truck weight. the GCWR for my 05 F-150 4x4 crew cab is 15,000 pounds, subtract the curb weight from that and you get the maximum loaded trailer and cargo weight . the GVWR is what the truck can weight if you add up the curb weight plus the weight of passengers, cargo and trailer tongue weight. heres a picture of my door tag and it says what the GVWR is followed by a definition from wikapedia of what GVWR means as well as a definition of GCWR.

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A gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) is the maximum allowable total mass of a road vehicle or trailer when loaded - i.e including the weight of the vehicle itself plus fuel, passengers, cargo, and trailer tongue weight.
The difference between gross weight and curb weight is the total passenger and cargo weight capacity of the vehicle. For example, a pickup truck with a curb weight of 4,500 pounds (2,041 kg) might have a cargo capacity of 2,000 pounds (907 kg), meaning it can have a gross weight of 6,500 pounds (2,948 kg) when fully loaded.

Gross vehicle weight rating - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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The gross combined weight rating (GCWR) is the maximum allowable combined mass of a towing road vehicle, passengers and cargo in the tow vehicle, plus the mass of the trailer and cargo in the trailer.[1] This rating is set by the vehicle manufacturer.

Gross combined weight rating - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

also heres a link to the ford vehicles towing guide for the 2005 F-150 where you can find the rest of the information.

https://www.fleet.ford.com/showroom/.../2005_F150.pdf

you need to learn more about what youre truck can and cant do, no 04-08 crew cab F-150 is rated to pull 11,000 pounds. My 05 screw F-150 5.4 4x4 with 3:73 gears is rated to pull 9,200, with 4x2 screw that goes up to 9,500. the heaviest trailer rating in the 04-08 F-150's is in the standard cab, long bed 4x2 5.4 with 4:10 gears and thats still only 9,900 pounds unless you get up into the heavy half max tow F-150's but a supercrew is not offered in that configuration.

Chris · #40 11-12-2010, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 01_ranger_4x4

youre wrong. the GCWR is the combined trailer AND truck/ cargo weight, not the combined cargo/ truck weight. the GCWR for my 05 F-150 4x4 crew cab is 15,000 pounds, subtract the curb weight from that and you get the maximum loaded trailer and cargo weight . the GVWR is what the truck can weight if you add up the curb weight plus the weight of passengers, cargo and trailer tongue weight. heres a picture of my door tag and it says what the GVWR is followed by a definition from wikapedia of what GVWR means as well as a definition of GCWR.

Gross vehicle weight rating - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Gross combined weight rating - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

also heres a link to the ford vehicles towing guide for the 2005 F-150 where you can find the rest of the information.

https://www.fleet.ford.com/showroom/.../2005_F150.pdf

you need to learn more about what youre truck can and cant do, no 04-08 crew cab F-150 is rated to pull 11,000 pounds. My 05 screw F-150 5.4 4x4 with 3:73 gears is rated to pull 9,200, with 4x2 screw that goes up to 9,500. the heaviest trailer rating in the 04-08 F-150's is in the standard cab, long bed 4x2 5.4 with 4:10 gears and thats still only 9,900 pounds unless you get up into the heavy half max tow F-150's but a supercrew is not offered in that configuration.

You are out of your mind. My 04 can pull 11 thousand pounds with no issues. If you have the trailer loaded right, you can pull 11 thousand pounds with no issue. I don't know what you are reading dude but I got my manual here and I got a diagram of what I can tow.

As for weight, next time I go to the city dump I will take a picture of the scales on what my truck weighs empty since you apparently do not believe me. I worked a ford dealership for years. I ought to know what a vehicle weighs. The Rotunda lifts we had their could lift 7000lbs. Our rules and regulations would not allow to use the light duty rack which was a max of 7000lbs on a 4WD Ford F150. We had heavy duty racks for the Diesel's and the big F150's.

I work part time with my dad in a seed business pulling trailers loaded with seed. We can put 11 thousand pounds on my F150 which does have trailer brakes and it drags it fine. The trailer is a heavy duty trailer. Its all about how you load the vehicle. I have a CDL as well, and can drive big rigs. We have one at the warehouse. Pulled plenty of things in my life time.

If you add the front and back up on the picture you just posted, you get what? which was 3750 and 3850 you get 7600lbs. Put that on any scale and see how much it weighs.

As for Ford weighing more, either way you go Ford has a heavier frame, the motors are generally heavier, the axles heavier, and the rims are usually bigger in size which adds weight. An example an 04 Silverado with the z71 package has 16" rims. A 04 Ford F150 FX4 can have 16-18" rims. Generally the FX4 package has the 18" rims but it is a customizable feature if you order the truck.

05RangerEdge · #41 11-12-2010, 12:35 PM

I am officially watching this battle now!

ranger024x4 · #42 11-12-2010, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris

You are out of your mind. My 04 can pull 11 thousand pounds with no issues. If you have the trailer loaded right, you can pull 11 thousand pounds with no issue. I don't know what you are reading dude but I got my manual here and I got a diagram of what I can tow.

good luck lol

There is no way you weighed out your truck at 7800lbs empty.

also, i believe the 04+ f150's can only go down to a 17" wheel. I had a 17 on my f150 and I def would have not been able to rock 16's

01_ranger_4x4 · #43 11-12-2010, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris

You are out of your mind. My 04 can pull 11 thousand pounds with no issues. If you have the trailer loaded right, you can pull 11 thousand pounds with no issue. I don't know what you are reading dude but I got my manual here and I got a diagram of what I can tow.

As for weight, next time I go to the city dump I will take a picture of the scales on what my truck weighs empty since you apparently do not believe me. I worked a ford dealership for years. I ought to know what a vehicle weighs. The Rotunda lifts we had their could lift 7000lbs. Our rules and regulations would not allow to use the light duty rack which was a max of 7000lbs on a 4WD Ford F150. We had heavy duty racks for the Diesel's and the big F150's.

I work part time with my dad in a seed business pulling trailers loaded with seed. We can put 11 thousand pounds on my F150 which does have trailer brakes and it drags it fine. The trailer is a heavy duty trailer. Its all about how you load the vehicle. I have a CDL as well, and can drive big rigs. We have one at the warehouse. Pulled plenty of things in my life time.

If you add the front and back up on the picture you just posted, you get what? which was 3750 and 3850 you get 7600lbs. Put that on any scale and see how much it weighs.

As for Ford weighing more, either way you go Ford has a heavier frame, the motors are generally heavier, the axles heavier, and the rims are usually bigger in size which adds weight. An example an 04 Silverado with the z71 package has 16" rims. A 04 Ford F150 FX4 can have 16-18" rims. Generally the FX4 package has the 18" rims but it is a customizable feature if you order the truck.

youre referring to the gross axle weight ratings (GAWR) and that is what each axle is rated to carry if you add truck and payload weight together and they do add up to the GVWR of the truck.

here, straight from the pages of my owners manual. refer to pages 172-176 for detailed definitions for GCW, GCWR, GAWR, GVWR ect and how to calculate everything and also refer to page 180 (pictured below) for the info on trailer weight which happens to be 8700 for your truck and mine( both have 18" wheels) 9200 for trucks in that motor/ cab/ driveline configuration with 17" wheels. dont know how to make it much clearer than that. also, if you want to go that route i drove semi's for almost 7 years in the Army so i also know a thing or two about pulling some weight. as far as ford being heavier than chevy, youre right they tend to be, but they arent 2000 pounds heavier.

pooleo · #44 11-12-2010, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris

You are out of your mind. My 04 can pull 11 thousand pounds with no issues. If you have the trailer loaded right, you can pull 11 thousand pounds with no issue. I don't know what you are reading dude but I got my manual here and I got a diagram of what I can tow.

As for weight, next time I go to the city dump I will take a picture of the scales on what my truck weighs empty since you apparently do not believe me. I worked a ford dealership for years. I ought to know what a vehicle weighs. The Rotunda lifts we had their could lift 7000lbs. Our rules and regulations would not allow to use the light duty rack which was a max of 7000lbs on a 4WD Ford F150. We had heavy duty racks for the Diesel's and the big F150's.

I work part time with my dad in a seed business pulling trailers loaded with seed. We can put 11 thousand pounds on my F150 which does have trailer brakes and it drags it fine. The trailer is a heavy duty trailer. Its all about how you load the vehicle. I have a CDL as well, and can drive big rigs. We have one at the warehouse. Pulled plenty of things in my life time.

If you add the front and back up on the picture you just posted, you get what? which was 3750 and 3850 you get 7600lbs. Put that on any scale and see how much it weighs.

As for Ford weighing more, either way you go Ford has a heavier frame, the motors are generally heavier, the axles heavier, and the rims are usually bigger in size which adds weight. An example an 04 Silverado with the z71 package has 16" rims. A 04 Ford F150 FX4 can have 16-18" rims. Generally the FX4 package has the 18" rims but it is a customizable feature if you order the truck.

Yes. You may be able to "physically" pull 11k LBS. 11k LBS is not the recomendation by ford.

Thats like me saying that my ranger can pull 7k LBS. Which I did "physically" although the truck was sitting on the axle blocks.

That is not the same as the manufacture ratings.

Chris · #45 11-12-2010, 01:13 PM

I'll be sure to snap a pic of the scale next time I go through the city dump. I am sure it could be a tad off but no way it'd be off 1000lbs or greater. My full sized Taurus I owned before weighed 3700lb's and I know that because we had to pull it through a weigh station, when we went down the wrong ramp.

11k is baby shit compared to what people pull every day with their trucks. Ford may not recommend it, but they do admit the truck can do pull more then its own weight. I wouldn't be afraid to pull more then 11k, and their is always ways to help keep your truck off the axle by means of stiffer leafs, and what not.