You might "read schematics" but you sure don't read posts.

I have morimoto projectors with HID in my ranger.

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Actually young man, you don't seem to read, I have seen your threads when you started your projects and have seen your threads again to see any update, I am in law enforcement and altering your halogen to projectors in my state is illegal, again I was asking about the one piece design projector headlights not the retrofit stock conversion.

if your a cop whats the law on hids in CA? just curious. cause i read in some states their illegal. and since i figured since its california it probably is here.

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anything is legal until you get caught haha

and good question im curious. and what about tint? ive heard five different answers from five different cops lol

The "ebay" projectors you are talking about do not provide a dot certified cutoff. they actually don't provide a cutoff at all - they provide a smiley face.

My morimotos on the other hand are designed for H1 HID and have a street-legal DOT cutoff.

Professional retrofitters are held to the same standards that OEMs are, so my lights are perfectly legal and will pass all DOT and SAE testing. (with the exception that I've removed my amber reflectors)

And I'm not young. Wish I was.

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There is no law against HIDs (in CA). There are more generic laws about having proper lighting, light output, etc., and this is where you can potentially be cited.

Tint is an easy one. The California penal code states ANY tint is illegal on the side mirrors. Rear mirrors and side mirrors can be as dark as you want.

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No cop; retired one though, Now I'm just a Park Ranger (bully) that carries a gun, lol Same thing just without the inner city frustrations, Hids are illegal period, But most folks wont have a problem because most LE don't know how to tell the difference, of course unless you are a young sooped up ricer, lol

Yep you said, however I don't condone anything illegal when you are breaking the law. You heard five different stories about HIDs, can you please elaborate.

Okay understand, so the bay projectors are just for looks, good to know; By Ca state law you cannot alter the inside housing of your stock lighting, actually all aftermarket hid are illegal in all states, here is the laws and yea again still illegal here.

So with your method you may be right, if done right, and it seems you have done so.

http://www.nhtsa.gov/cars/rules/rulings/glare.html

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Their are trying to update these laws, this is the reason why their is so much confusion and why it's difficult to win or loose a case when cited, The laws are not detailed enough and of course this is one reason why most Officers wont ticket; and that's if you are lucky. However what I posted is good info for those who inquire.


Don't forget those who have some sort of visual impairment, here is the details.

Regarding a doctors note...

Read the CVC! It states (I'm paraphrasing) that you CAN put some type of tint on the front windows with a doc note, BUT it must be easily removable and not be used at night.


CVC 26708 paragraph 10:
Sun screening devices meeting the requirements of Section 26708.2 installed on the side windows on either side of the vehicle's front seat, if the driver or a passenger in the front seat has in his or her possession a letter or other document signed by a licensed physician and surgeon certifying that the person must be shaded from the sun due to a medical condition, or has in his or her possession a letter or other document signed by a licensed optometrist certifying that the person must be shaded from the sun due to a visual condition. The devices authorized by this paragraph shall not be used during darkness.

CVC 26708.2
Sun screening devices permitted by paragraph (10) of subdivision (b) of Section 26708 shall meet the following requirements:

(a) The devices shall be held in place by means allowing ready removal from the window area, such as a frame, a rigid material with temporary fasteners, or a flexible roller shade.

(b) Devices utilizing transparent material shall be green, gray, or a neutral smoke in color and shall have a luminous transmittance of not less than 35 percent.

(c) Devices utilizing nontransparent louvers or other alternating patterns of opaque and open sections shall have an essentially uniform pattern over the entire surface, except for framing and supports. At least 35 percent of the device area shall be open and no individual louver or opaque section shall have a projected vertical dimension exceeding 3/16 inch.

(d) The devices shall not have a reflective quality exceeding 35 percent on either the inner or outer surface.

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d12/vc26708.htm

V C Section 26708 Material Obstructing or Reducing Driver x2019 s View

Material Obstructing or Reducing Driver's View

26708. (a) (1) A person shall not drive any motor vehicle with any object or material placed, displayed, installed, affixed, or applied upon the windshield or side or rear windows.

(2) A person shall not drive any motor vehicle with any object or material placed, displayed, installed, affixed, or applied in or upon the vehicle that obstructs or reduces the driver’s clear view through the windshield or side windows.

(3) This subdivision applies to a person driving a motor vehicle with the driver's clear vision through the windshield, or side or rear windows, obstructed by snow or ice.

(b) This section does not apply to any of the following:

(1) Rearview mirrors.

(2) Adjustable nontransparent sunvisors that are mounted forward of the side windows and are not attached to the glass.

(3) Signs, stickers, or other materials that are displayed in a 7-inch square in the lower corner of the windshield farthest removed from the driver, signs, stickers, or other materials that are displayed in a 7-inch square in the lower corner of the rear window farthest removed from the driver, or signs, stickers, or other materials that are displayed in a 5-inch square in the lower corner of the windshield nearest the driver.

(4) Side windows that are to the rear of the driver.

(5) Direction, destination, or ( )1 terminus signs upon a passenger common carrier motor vehicle or a schoolbus, if those signs do not interfere with the driver’s clear view of approaching traffic.

(6) Rear window wiper motor.

(7) Rear trunk lid handle or hinges.

(8) The rear window or windows, if the motor vehicle is equipped with outside mirrors on both the left- and righthand sides of the vehicle that are so located as to reflect to the driver a view of the highway through each mirror for a distance of at least 200 feet to the rear of the vehicle.

(9) A clear, transparent lens affixed to the side window opposite the driver on a vehicle greater than 80 inches in width and that occupies an area not exceeding 50 square inches of the lowest corner toward the rear of that window and that provides the driver with a wide-angle view through the lens.

(10) Sun screening devices meeting the requirements of Section 26708.2 installed on the side windows on either side of the vehicle's front seat, if the driver or a passenger in the front seat has in his or her possession a letter or other document signed by a licensed physician and surgeon certifying that the person must be shaded from the sun due to a medical condition, or has in his or her possession a letter or other document signed by a licensed optometrist certifying that the person must be shaded from the sun due to a visual condition. The devices authorized by this paragraph shall not be used during darkness.

(11) An electronic communication device affixed to the center uppermost portion of the interior of a windshield within an area that is not greater than 5 inches square, if the device provides either of the following:

(A) The capability for enforcement facilities of the Department of the California Highway Patrol to communicate with a vehicle equipped with the device.

(B) The capability for electronic toll and traffic management on public or private roads or facilities.

(12) A portable Global Positioning System (GPS), which may be mounted in a 7-inch square in the lower corner of the windshield farthest removed from the driver or in a 5-inch square in the lower corner of the windshield nearest to the driver and outside of an airbag deployment zone, if the system is used only for door-to-door navigation while the motor vehicle is being operated ( )2.

(c) Notwithstanding subdivision (a), transparent material may be installed, affixed, or applied to the topmost portion of the windshield if the following conditions apply:

(1) The bottom edge of the material is at least 29 inches above the undepressed driver's seat when measured from a point 5 inches in front of the bottom of the backrest with the driver's seat in its rearmost and lowermost position with the vehicle on a level surface.

(2) The material is not red or amber in color.

(3) There is no opaque lettering on the material and any other lettering does not affect primary colors or distort vision through the windshield.

(4) The material does not reflect sunlight or headlight glare into the eyes of occupants of oncoming or following vehicles to any greater extent than the windshield without the material.

(d) Notwithstanding subdivision (a), clear, colorless, and transparent material may be installed, affixed, or applied to the front side windows, located to the immediate left and right of the front seat if the following conditions are met:

(1) The material has a minimum visible light transmittance of 88 percent.

(2) The window glazing with the material applied meets all requirements of Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard No. 205 (49 C.F.R. 571.205), including the specified minimum light transmittance of 70 percent and the abrasion resistance of AS-14 glazing, as specified in that federal standard.

(3) The material is designed and manufactured to enhance the ability of the existing window glass to block the sun's harmful ultraviolet A rays.

(4) The driver has in his or her possession, or within the vehicle, a certificate signed by the installing company certifying that the windows with the material installed meet the requirements of this subdivision and the certificate identifies the installing company and the material’s manufacturer by full name and street address, or, if the material was installed by the vehicle owner, a certificate signed by the material’s manufacturer certifying that the windows with the material installed according to manufacturer’s instructions ( )3 meet the requirements of this subdivision and the certificate identifies the material’s manufacturer by full name and street address.

(5) If the material described in this subdivision tears or bubbles, or is otherwise worn to prohibit clear vision, it shall be removed or replaced.

Amended Sec. 1, Ch. 413, Stats. 2008. Effective January 1, 2009.
Amended Sec. 181, Ch. 140, Stats. 2009. Effective January 1, 2010.
The 2009 amendment added the italicized material, and at the point(s) indicated, deleted the following:

I know it's a confusing situation and their needs to be some revise. Their working on it; I promise you that.

Your links don't work since you just copy pasted this whole thing from a random person on yahoo answers, which is a horrible source...

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beam is better than any oem projector i've ever seen w/ the exception of the s2k.

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And this is part of the reason there isn't any penal code violation (that I know of) that states something as generic as HIDs are illegal.

The illegality of HIDs has to due with violating other penal codes such as failure to dim, and improper light color. It's not the HID itself that is illegal, but the output.

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I guess you are right, copy/paste and the links don't work.... ummmmmm

I fixed the link and also provided you with the actual sit, in the search bar you can type in HID and the ruling will come up

http://www.nhtsa.gov/cars/rules/rulings/glare.html
http://www.nhtsa.gov/

bright as you can everywhere you can. i race in the desert. no such thing as to much light.

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i think you meant to say windows, not mirrors lol