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Re: No Crank No Start No Fun
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I got the forscan to work on my pc with a Bluetooth obdII reader.
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Did you find Ron D at the other forum? He's a good guy and knows his stuff.
You got some funky codes there. Are you sure the battery is good? Normally I would agree with an earlier post that the ignition switch would not effect the PATS system but I'm wondering while it's apart if you should at least disconnect the ignition switch and see what it looks like. I think they're $20
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Re: No Crank No Start No Fun
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Did you find Ron D at the other forum? He's a good guy and knows his stuff.
You got some funky codes there. Are you sure the battery is good? Normally I would agree with an earlier post that the ignition switch would not effect the PATS system but I'm wondering while it's apart if you should at least disconnect the ignition switch and see what it looks like. I think they're $20
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Yes. He found my post and replied. I charged the battery up and now these are the codes left.
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Re: No Crank No Start No Fun
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Yes. He found my post and replied. I charged the battery up and now these are the codes left.
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Looks like you should replace the transceiver.
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Re: No Crank No Start No Fun
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Looks like you should replace the transceiver.
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I'm doing a pinpoint test and got to E5. I feel dumb cuz I'm not sure what my multimeter is saying the ohm results are for it. Anyone know what the increments are for this?
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Re: No Crank No Start No Fun
Looks like 1300 ohms to me, a no /repair circuit result.
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Re: No Crank No Start No Fun
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Looks like 1300 ohms to me, a no /repair circuit result.
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Dang. So I checked it again after work today and it's still around 1300. I didn't have time to check the wiring. But it looks okay at the connector. I can't really see it much further back as it goes into a bundle of wires.
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Re: No Crank No Start No Fun
I suggest doing the entire Pin Point test over again, after you understand your DVOM better.
http://www.wellsve.com/ds_ohm.html
there are a bunch of how to videos From Fluke, Snap on etc that will show you the basics of a DVOM
Send the model number of your OHM meter when you get a chance.
BTW I only suggest doing the Pin Point test over again because one of the test you already completed could have been read wrong if you do not understand how to use your DVOM
Also each pinpoint test has parameters that need to be met during the test, each parameter is shown by an illustration.
If your not sure what each illustration means please ask, I will do what I can to find the legend that shows an explanation for each illustration.
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Re: No Crank No Start No Fun
Have you tried to program the two Ford keys since you have charged the battery? I remember reading somewhere if the battery voltage gets too low the system can lose the programming for the keys.
Kind of makes sense for your truck since you had battery voltage related issues.
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Re: No Crank No Start No Fun
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I suggest doing the entire Pin Point test over again, after you understand your DVOM better.
http://www.wellsve.com/ds_ohm.html
there are a bunch of how to videos From Fluke, Snap on etc that will show you the basics of a DVOM
Send the model number of your OHM meter when you get a chance.
BTW I only suggest doing the Pin Point test over again because one of the test you already completed could have been read wrong if you do not understand how to use your DVOM
Also each pinpoint test has parameters that need to be met during the test, each parameter is shown by an illustration.
If your not sure what each illustration means please ask, I will do what I can to find the legend that shows an explanation for each illustration.
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Southwire Tools & Equipment 10040N Auto-Ranging Digital Multimeter, 12 Functions https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00H04HL3I..._fOqXzb9YNFVGG
I'm confident the prior tests were correct but I'll do them again just to be safe. I was only confused because mine is a auto multimeter and it was reading lower than what it should for the rest so I thought maybe I was reading it wrong.
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Have you tried to program the two Ford keys since you have charged the battery? I remember reading somewhere if the battery voltage gets too low the system can lose the programming for the keys.
Kind of makes sense for your truck since you had battery voltage related issues.
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I have not. The keys stopped working before the battery ran low from non-use. The first thing I had checked was the battery. It was reading well over 12v. I took it to auto zone just to be safe and they said it was a good battery and was reading 14v.
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Re: No Crank No Start No Fun
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Dang. So I checked it again after work today and it's still around 1300. ......
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FYI....it's always good practice to verify that the resistance showing on the meter when the test leads are shorted is zero ohms before proceeding to perform the desired resistance tests. Do this every time you use the meter.
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Re: No Crank No Start No Fun
Here is a link to the owner manual for your meter,
http://www.southwiretools.com/tools/...do?file_id=244
Instructions on taking resistance measurements from the manual
Resistance Measurements
1. Set the rotary function switch to
the Ω CAP position.
2. Press the MODE button until “MΩ”
appears on the LCD display.
3. Insert the black test lead into the negative
COM input jack. Insert the red test lead
into the positive Ω input jack.
4. Touch the test probe tips across the
circuit or component under test. It is
best to disconnect one side of the
device under test so the rest of the
circuit will not interfere with the
resistance reading.
5. Read the resistance on the LCD display
Have you been taking measurements as the manual suggests?
Just double checking the basics, Please do not get offended.
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Re: No Crank No Start No Fun
BTW are you paying attention to the conditions shown in each pinpoint test.
For example E2 shows that you should have the key off unplug the pats transceiver turn the key to the run position and take a measurement from C2097 Pin 2 circuit 16 RD/LG
We need to know you are following the pin point test correctly, this way when you show a problem with a part of the pin point test, we know your findings to that point have been correct before proceeding further.
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So do I have to dismantle my dash to trace these wires back to see where it’s grounding out?
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Re: No Crank No Start No Fun
If a wire was shorted and not a circuit shorted in the PCM for example if you run test 5 again with both the pats and the PCM disconnected you would think the short would still be there with the PCM disconnected.
If the short is still present with the PCM disconnected look in the diagram to see what if anything else could be causing a short on that circuit.
So I would not take your truck apart just yet.
I would set up my meter with extra long leads and test for resistance on the circuit indicated in test 5 while doing a wiggle test on each and every connector and harness section I could get to that is part of the suspect circuit.
In the wiring diagram for the PATS you should find all the connector numbers which can be looked up for their location and connector diagram information.
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