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Old 05-03-2010, 09:47 PM
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Default Ranger 2.5l 4banger versus b16 series

Okay so I've been thinkin' believe it or not, and I'm freakin' lost. How is it that a little Honda civic motor can outrace v8's and other cars, where as my same (american) 4banger is strained flooring it from stoplight to stoplight? How can They get 45mpg in a hatchback, whereas I get mid twenties babying it? Is it the Teeruck its self haha or are they just more effecient? You can get up to 700 power with enough money out of an orient 4bangr but mine pushes like 150?
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Old 05-03-2010, 10:16 PM
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Okay so I've been thinkin' believe it or not, and I'm freakin' lost. How is it that a little Honda civic motor can outrace v8's and other cars, where as my same (american) 4banger is strained flooring it from stoplight to stoplight? How can They get 45mpg in a hatchback, whereas I get mid twenties babying it? Is it the Teeruck its self haha or are they just more effecient? You can get up to 700 power with enough money out of an orient 4bangr but mine pushes like 150?
Sad thing is... you are more around 110-120 hp. They spend big bucks to get that HP. Build Lema 2.5 and Turbo it with 20LBS of boost and you have a 9 second vehicle* (Ranger maybe not) Why 45 mpg? They are driving a ghey little 1900lb car. Your ranger will always be a truck. sad but true....
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Old 05-03-2010, 10:37 PM
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Default Re: Ranger 2.5l 4banger versus b16 series

Damnit lol! That makes a Lot more sense. DeLoreans must have sucked monkey balls.

Yeah stats say 140, I'm bettin 110-120 too.

What's a .030 Over bore do to your gas milage, once you supe up your 4banger, does it chug like a v8?
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Old 05-04-2010, 03:17 AM
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1995 Honda civic hatchback torque 98 (lb-ft) 2108 pounds
102-hp, 1.5-liter I-4
125-hp, 1.6-liter I-4
70-hp, 1.5-liter I-4
92-hp, 1.5-liter I-4

Modified 1995 Honda Civic to reach 230HP (list is long)

ENGINE
- USDM......B18C1 block sleeved by Benson
- USDM......P72 head ported by Portflow
- USDM......OBD1 P72 ECU with Hondata S300
- USDM......CP 11.5:1 84mm forged pistons and rings
- USDM......Integra LS Eagle H-beam connecting rods
- USDM......Integra LS OEM balanced crankshaft
- USDM......OEM GSR/LS bearings
- USDM......ARP head studs
- USDM......ARP crankshaft pulley bolt
- JDM.........Mugen oil pan
- JDM.........Spoon magnetic oil plug
- USDM......ITR OEM oil pump
- USDM......BDL oil cap
- JDM.........Toda timing belt
- USDM......K&N OEM filter
- USDM......94-97 Del Sol VTEC intake tube
- USDM......Professional Products 70mm throttle body
- USDM......port matched GSR intake manifold
- JDM.........OEM valve cover w/ laser moon cuts with hydrographic woodgrain finish
- USDM......BDL bronze cam gears
- JDM.........Spoon spark plug wires
- JDM.........NGK laser platinum plugs
- USDM......ITR camshafts
- USDM......ITR valvetrain
- USDM......Crower titanium retainers
- USDM......Hondata intake gasket
- USDM......STR cam seal
- USDM......Billet spark plug cover
- USDM......Skunk2 VTEC solenoid cover
- USDM......Innovative motor mounts
- USDM......94-97 Del Sol VTEC P54 AC bracket
- USDM......STR Billet oil dipstick
- JDM.........ITR 4-1 2.5inch header
- JDM.........Benen polished heat shield for ITR header
- USDM......King Motorsports extended header studs
- USDM......Magnaflow high flow cat
- JDM.........T1R 2.5 inch stainless B pipe
- JDM.........Mugen Twin Loop muffler
- USDM......PWR radiator
- JDM.........Spoon radiator cap
- USDM......Samco hoses
- USDM......Benen radiator stay
- USDM......FAL slimline fan
- JDM.........ARC thermostat
- JDM.........Mugen fan switch
- USDM......Russell stainless steel fuel line
- USDM......Jackson Racing 255lph fuel pump
- JDM.........Vision Motorworks fuel pressure gauge
- USDM......STR fuel rail
- USDM......AEM fuel pressure regulator
- USDM......OEM 370cc injectors from an S2000
- USDM......Neuspeed battery tie down
- USDM......STR fuse box cover

TRANSMISSION / CLUTCH
- USDM......DC2 Type R tranny with LS 5th gear and 4.266 final drive gear
- USDM......Quaife LSD
- JDM.........Toda flywheel
- USDM......ACT sport clutch with performance street disc
- USDM......ARP flywheel and pressure plate bolts
- USDM......Stainless steel clutch line
- JDM.........Spoon magnetic transmission oil plug
- USDM......Hondasport short throw shifter
- EDM.........Neuspeed shifter bushings
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Old 05-04-2010, 05:20 AM
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lol civics can beat v8? The only ones i've seen doing that had integra engine+transmission swaps. severely overrated and overpriced cars imo. they sure sport a lot of stickers though.
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Old 05-04-2010, 06:57 AM
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Default Re: Ranger 2.5l 4banger versus b16 series

The lima motor can make over 500hp with a stock bottom end, and a lot less money invested.

The Lima 4 banger is around 110hp, the D-tech 4 banger is around 140hp. Yes the lima is an inefficient motor. The design is over 30 years old. The d-tech makes more power than those little honda boys, and will get you 30 mpg in a truck.

So, if you want power out of a lima, boost it. If you want good gas mileage, get a d-tech.
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Old 05-04-2010, 08:46 AM
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Default Re: Ranger 2.5l 4banger versus b16 series

You also have to remeber a V8 truck weighs more than a little civic so it takes extra time for the truck to catch up. And a pick up truck is not as aerodimeamicly designed like a Civic either. The best part about a truck is when you run into something you have a higher chance to survive a head on over a Civic. And I'll take a beefed up show truck over a Rice Wagon over day every Ricer out there pritty much looks the same now a days a Stock 1967 F100 with a wooden box looks better in my books.
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Old 05-04-2010, 11:58 PM
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Default Re: Ranger 2.5l 4banger versus b16 series

Not diggin' the wooden box but hellll yeah!

@ STL Dayum. I seen shit on the internet that costs 10-20k in mods but all that for 200ish hp?
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Old 05-05-2010, 04:10 AM
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Default Re: Ranger 2.5l 4banger versus b16 series

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Modified 1995 Honda Civic to reach 230HP (list is long)

ENGINE

- JDM.........Mugen oil pan
- JDM.........Spoon magnetic oil plug
- USDM......BDL oil cap
- USDM......K&N OEM filter
- USDM......Billet spark plug cover
- USDM......Skunk2 VTEC solenoid cover
- USDM......STR Billet oil dipstick
- JDM.........Spoon radiator cap
- USDM......Samco hoses
- JDM.........Vision Motorworks fuel pressure gauge
- USDM......Neuspeed battery tie down
- USDM......STR fuse box cover
Seems like a lot of that ^ wouldnt do anything for power...That, or maybe my billet dipstick and aftermarket oil cap are broke


But yeah, civics are lighter, more aerodynamic and have more fuel efficient motors. I dont care what you say, them japs know how to build a 4cyl.

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Old 05-05-2010, 04:41 AM
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Seems like a lot of that ^ wouldnt do anything for power...That, or maybe my billet dipstick and aftermarket oil cap are broke


But yeah, civics are lighter, more aerodynamic and have more fuel efficient motors. I dont care what you say, them japs know how to build a 4cyl.
Your not thinking like true ricer. Each decal on their windshield adds so much HP and down force to the rear of the car. That is why you see so many.

Each additional mod to that particular area adds either torque or hp. It all depends how it is is applied
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Old 05-05-2010, 04:57 AM
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Default Re: Ranger 2.5l 4banger versus b16 series

Big difference in comparisons. Lower weight per horsepower, much more modern engine, Honda engines do tend to put out more horsepower per liter but have to be at a high RPM to do it (they are designed to rev higher).

A closer comparison, but still apples to oranges, would be a CR-V to a Ranger as far as weight and engine size go. (Info from Wikipedia so may be a bit inaccurate)

CR-V
1996-1998 2.0L B20B: 126HP@ 6200 RPM, 133 lbs-ft torque @ 4500 RPM
1999-2001 2.0L B20Z: 146HP@ 6200 RPM, 133 lbs-ft torque @ 4500 RPM
2002-2006 2.4L K24A1: 160HP @ 5800 RPM, 162 lbs-ft torque @ 4200 RPM
2007-2009 2.4L K24Z: 166HP @ 5800 RPM, 161 lbs-ft torque @ 4200 RPM
2010 2.4L K24 Series: 180HP @ 5800 RPM, 161 lbs-ft torque @ 4200 RPM

Ranger
1998-Mid 2001 2.5L: 119 HP, 149 lbs-ft torque (RPMs not listed)
Mid 2001 - 2010 2.3L: 143 HP @ 5250 RPM, 154 lbs-ft @ 3750 RPM
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Old 05-05-2010, 05:51 AM
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The problem is most people don't understand 2 things limit the output of an engine.

1 - How much fuel can you supply to the system?
2 - How well is the engine built?
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Old 05-05-2010, 06:33 AM
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Depends on what it is built for too. At least for the 2.5L, it's a cast iron bloack and head, designed to be a dependable work horse engine, not to mention relatively inexpensive to build. I doubt horsepower and fuel mileage got much consideration.

After all, it's going into a truck, not into a vehicle meant to be basically a daily runner for the family...
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Old 05-05-2010, 09:03 AM
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Default Re: Ranger 2.5l 4banger versus b16 series

Actually, the Lima motor was designed for passenger cars. The ranger just kept it much longer than all it's other homes.
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Old 05-05-2010, 08:11 PM
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Your not thinking like true ricer. Each decal on their windshield adds so much HP and down force to the rear of the car. That is why you see so many.

Each additional mod to that particular area adds either torque or hp. It all depends how it is is applied
HAAAHAHAHA I was thinkin' about getting a NOS sticker on my rear axle pumpkin, a 32valve sticker for my top end, a "Police Interceptor" Badge for below my ranger decal(Serious actually about that one lol), a Cobra sticker for my tailgate, and an apollo 11 on my slider.

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Depends on what it is built for too. At least for the 2.5L, it's a cast iron bloack and head, designed to be a dependable work horse engine, not to mention relatively inexpensive to build. I doubt horsepower and fuel mileage got much consideration.

After all, it's going into a truck, not into a vehicle meant to be basically a daily runner for the family...
That makes a Lot of sense ! Only contradiction is that my rangers have been my daily drivers, one lasted 307k and is still going and this ones at 137 and hella strong !

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Actually, the Lima motor was designed for passenger cars. The ranger just kept it much longer than all it's other homes.
What's the downside of Lima? Less tech or something?
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