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Old 02-15-2012, 05:42 AM
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^ i would try a $15 spray gun from Harbor Freight, and did you try thinning it?
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Old 02-15-2012, 06:26 AM
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There is a limit to how much thinning you can do, according to the instructions (5% rings a bell).

It was fine for me. I used the high pressure setting on my power washer to clean the frame and blast off scale. I did this twice, the second after hand wire brushing what I could easily reach.

I used marine clean, mixed with water as directed in the spray bottle that came with it, to spray the entire frame. I rinsed with the hose.

The next day I used the spray thing on the prep n ready bottle to spray the whole frame. I let dry, then rinsed with the hose (I think, can't remember now),

Finally, when dry, I brushed the first coat on. I thinned some in advance. Brushed on easily, covered well.

I should have done the second coat when the first was still tacky, but my timing was off and I had to wait for daylight. I took a sanding block and took the gloss off the surfaces I could reach, then brushed the second coat (and did more first coat, since it took less for the second coat so I had stuff to spare).

Simple, but multiple steps with some drying stages (which takes time). I did the work outside, and rolled the truck into a heated garage at night.

I wasn't aware of any smell, but I was outside. I didn't put a drop cloth down for the first coat, so my driveway has spots...I need to recover with sealer in spring anyway, but the drop cloth caught even more the 2nd coat. I didn't wear a tyvek suit the first coat, I did finish marking some jeans and a sweatshirt...both are still very ok as painting clothes or for doing dirty jobs. You can get small amounts off your hands but you must do it with the thinning solvent before the stuff dries, I had no trouble getting some off that came on my wrists between gloves and sweat shirt or tyvek suit arms. Be prompt, my total painting time (each coat) was probably under an hour so the cleanup was quick. Painting upside down with a brush does drip. I was careful because I didn't want to lose any of the expensive stuff, but the drop cloth told the story on the second coat.

Brushing went very well, and I could reach everywhere I wanted. One quart did 2 coats on the frame rear of the cab, with about 4 feet under the cab for one coat. I didn't paint the diff, axle, springs but did do the gas tank plate. With the left over stuff at the end, I did one coat on most of the axle and much of the springs. Since everything was cleaned and treated, I followed up with a black rust enamel on anything missed and the rest of the axle so everything was black. Oh, the inside of my bumper got one por15 coat (this had been scraped, wirebrushed, cleaned, primed, and painted already).

Reg cab longbed.

I didn't expect por15 to be high gloss. I took flat black rust enamel and lightly sprayed the outside of the frame more to take the shine off than to worry about sunlight fading.

It's still a labor of love, but the structural frame repair, cleaning, and por15 treatment ought to extend my frame another 150000 miles easily.


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Old 02-15-2012, 09:07 AM
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^ i would try a $15 spray gun from Harbor Freight, and did you try thinning it?
Yes we did, but you can only thin it so much.



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There is a limit to how much thinning you can do, according to the instructions (5% rings a bell).

It was fine for me. I used the high pressure setting on my power washer to clean the frame and blast off scale. I did this twice, the second after hand wire brushing what I could easily reach.

I used marine clean, mixed with water as directed in the spray bottle that came with it, to spray the entire frame. I rinsed with the hose.

The next day I used the spray thing on the prep n ready bottle to spray the whole frame. I let dry, then rinsed with the hose (I think, can't remember now),

Finally, when dry, I brushed the first coat on. I thinned some in advance. Brushed on easily, covered well.

I should have done the second coat when the first was still tacky, but my timing was off and I had to wait for daylight. I took a sanding block and took the gloss off the surfaces I could reach, then brushed the second coat (and did more first coat, since it took less for the second coat so I had stuff to spare).

Simple, but multiple steps with some drying stages (which takes time). I did the work outside, and rolled the truck into a heated garage at night.

I wasn't aware of any smell, but I was outside. I didn't put a drop cloth down for the first coat, so my driveway has spots...I need to recover with sealer in spring anyway, but the drop cloth caught even more the 2nd coat. I didn't wear a tyvek suit the first coat, I did finish marking some jeans and a sweatshirt...both are still very ok as painting clothes or for doing dirty jobs. You can get small amounts off your hands but you must do it with the thinning solvent before the stuff dries, I had no trouble getting some off that came on my wrists between gloves and sweat shirt or tyvek suit arms. Be prompt, my total painting time (each coat) was probably under an hour so the cleanup was quick. Painting upside down with a brush does drip. I was careful because I didn't want to lose any of the expensive stuff, but the drop cloth told the story on the second coat.

Brushing went very well, and I could reach everywhere I wanted. One quart did 2 coats on the frame rear of the cab, with about 4 feet under the cab for one coat. I didn't paint the diff, axle, springs but did do the gas tank plate. With the left over stuff at the end, I did one coat on most of the axle and much of the springs. Since everything was cleaned and treated, I followed up with a black rust enamel on anything missed and the rest of the axle so everything was black. Oh, the inside of my bumper got one por15 coat (this had been scraped, wirebrushed, cleaned, primed, and painted already).

Reg cab longbed.

I didn't expect por15 to be high gloss. I took flat black rust enamel and lightly sprayed the outside of the frame more to take the shine off than to worry about sunlight fading.

It's still a labor of love, but the structural frame repair, cleaning, and por15 treatment ought to extend my frame another 150000 miles easily.


Nice job on that frame. The place where I was using it was well ventilated, but still enclosed. I also tend to get more stuff on me than what I'm painting from time to time. The clothes that I threw away were pretty much worn out and ruined because they were old. I told you the drop cloth would tell you a story. The thing that I did notice is that POR-15 dries better in a humid enviroment. I plan on doing a "how to" article on POR-15 and I also plan on doing another one on building a frame in the future. But I have to wait until my health issues are taken care of first.
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Old 08-28-2012, 09:48 PM
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Default Re: POR-15 questions.....

Ok guys gettin ready to do this.

So you need to
Wash frame with soap and water
Dry
Wire brush
Rinse
Metal ready
Rinse
Por 15

Is that right?

And to do 2 coats to the frame plus some other stuff how much will you need? One gallon or 2 quarts?

And after you use it and put the lid back on how long will the stuff last? A couple years?
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Old 08-29-2012, 07:20 PM
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Ok guys gettin ready to do this.

So you need to
Wash frame with soap and water
Dry
Wire brush
Rinse
Metal ready
Rinse
Por 15

Is that right?

And to do 2 coats to the frame plus some other stuff how much will you need? One gallon or 2 quarts?

And after you use it and put the lid back on how long will the stuff last? A couple years?
Sounds about right. I've used this stuff for years and haven't had ANY rust come back from after I use it. This stuff is amazing, if you want proof get some on your hand and try getting it off... now that's an ordeal.

Most of the time i will just brush right over the rust and forget about metal ready or wire brushing it too much, then again that's just me.

Get a full gallon, you will need it, put it on thick and you will never have any problems with rust ever again.

And when you put the lid back on MAKE SURE to put a plastic bag or a plastic lining in between the can and the lid. Otherwise it will never open up again and your paint will dry up in a few weeks.
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Old 08-30-2012, 12:35 PM
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A gallon? Are you sure?

Will the por15 go bad after I open it, use it, and put the lid back on?

And should I get marine clean or not?
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Old 08-30-2012, 02:29 PM
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A gallon? Are you sure?

Will the por15 go bad after I open it, use it, and put the lid back on?

And should I get marine clean or not?
Well if you want to do the entire frame with 2 coats, I would get a gallon just to be safe, plus you can do the sheet metal under the cab and bed as well if you have some leftover.

And like i said , you NEED to put a plastic liner in between the lid and the can. I have a small quart that I did that to about 3 years ago and I can still open it up and use it when I need to. So if you do it this way it will last a while. I tried using a regular grocery bag on one can, and some heavy duty 7-8 mm plastic liner on another as a little experiment, and the can with the grocery bag I had to throw out much sooner then the other one.

It would help to use marine cleaner, but Simple Green will work just the same in my opinion. I used it full strength on my frame and all the grime and dirt literally dropped off of it when I gave it a quick scrub and hose off.
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