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Old 12-22-2009, 06:48 PM
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Default true duals

im wanting to put a exhaust system on my truck. i know you can put a new cat on it to make it duals but i want true duals has anyone done this?
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Old 12-22-2009, 07:13 PM
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ive had friends do it and it sounds terrible!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not to mention it will create almost no backpressure and your mpg will be the worst! On a 4.0, maybe... on a 3.0, hell no. Unless you are running a racing setup in a tuner with a 3.0 stroker kit and supercharger, you dont need it and you will regret doing it.

my 2 cents from experiences and years of being in a mustang club of GTs and ford V6's.
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Old 12-22-2009, 07:14 PM
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Not sure if you can do true dual w/o changing headers. But it's been done.
Not sure how much benefit there would be over simply having a dual exit muffler, either.
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Old 12-22-2009, 07:26 PM
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plus the gas tank is located on the drivers side, at least with my truck... it would take lots of work anyways... the only true duals i see possible is a F-150 Lightning style where both pipes run side by side but never connect... either way, i dont reccomend a true dual unless you have some major power that will fill up those pipes...

right now you have 6 cylinders running into one pipe... if you have true duals you will have no backpressure with only 3 cylinders and 1.5 liters worth of air coming out at once... plus, at some point in each pipe in a true dual system you will have only one piston power stroke and the 2 piston power strokes alternating... non porportinal firings like that will create a pretty awful sound with any muffler.
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Old 12-22-2009, 07:35 PM
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wat would you recremend me putting on it i want like the muscle car sound
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Old 12-22-2009, 07:43 PM
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ive got a flowmaster super 44 and i couldnt be happier! I have it to where I just replaced the muffler, cut off the rest of the exhaust, and brought it out before the rear tire... has a great rumble sound to it!

http://s891.photobucket.com/albums/ac113/olfordtruck/?action=view&current=MOV04390.flv
that studdering sound is the stupid rev limiter not letting me go above 3000 rpm but you can get the general idea. quiet when cruzing at highway speeds. but you sure can hear it when you accelerate and especially when you get into it! love it!!!!!!!!!
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Old 12-22-2009, 07:45 PM
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... if you have true duals you will have no backpressure with only 3 cylinders and 1.5 liters worth of air coming out at once...
It's amusing to me that you think the engine has a VE of 1.
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Old 12-22-2009, 07:46 PM
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what do you mean?
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Old 12-22-2009, 07:53 PM
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what do you mean?
Exactly what I said.

Volumetric efficiency in internal combustion engine design refers to the efficiency with which the engine can move the charge into and out of the cylinders. More correctly, volumetric efficiency is a ratio (or percentage) of what volume of fuel and air actually enters the cylinder during induction to the actual capacity of the cylinder under static conditions. Therefore, those engines that can create higher induction manifold pressures - above ambient - will have efficiencies greater than 100%. Volumetric efficiencies can be improved in a number of ways, but most notably the size of the valve openings compared to the volume of the cylinder and streamlining the ports. Engines with higher volumetric efficiency will generally be able to run at higher speeds (commonly measured in RPM) and produce more overall power due to less parasitic power loss moving air in and out of the engine.

There are several standard ways to improve volumetric efficiency. A common approach for manufacturers is to use larger valves or multiple valves. Larger valves increase flow but weigh more. Multi-valve engines combine two or more smaller valves with areas greater than a single, large valve while having less weight. Carefully streamlining the ports increases flow capability. This is referred to as Porting and is done with the aid of an air flow bench for testing.

Many high performance cars use carefully arranged air intakes and tuned exhaust systems to push air into and out of the cylinders, making use of the resonance of the system. Two-stroke engines take this concept even further with expansion chambers that return the escaping air-fuel mixture back to the cylinder. A more modern technique, variable valve timing, attempts to address changes in volumetric efficiency with changes in speed of the engine: at higher speeds the engine needs the valves open for a greater percentage of the cycle time to move the charge in and out of the engine.

Volumetric efficiencies above 100% can be reached by using forced induction such as supercharging or turbocharging. With proper tuning, volumetric efficiencies above 100% can also be reached by naturally-aspirated engines. The limit for naturally-aspirated engines is about 137%; these engines are typically of a DOHC layout with four valves per cylinder.
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Old 12-22-2009, 07:54 PM
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thats nice. how much do the super 44 run? and would i have to have someone install it i dont have a welder
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Old 12-22-2009, 08:02 PM
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well that is obvious... the more you can move in and out the more efficient the engine will be but we are not talking about a race application here... logically, for a dd you need that backpressure to maintain a non rich person's wallet and not go broke from the gas they have to put in every 100 miles.

Correct me if im wrong mb128, but what you are looking for is something that is practicle, sounds good, gives good economy, and will provide good power... what you have written out there Jp7 i support 110% but that is not the case of situiation here.

Ive got experience with a 3.0, which is mine... and ive got experience with other ranger 3.0 engines that made a poor decision to do true duals on a lightly modified 3.0... its not good in the sense of sound and mpg... it reved like a dream and had a ton of room for some great race tunes but its just not smart at all for an average daily driver.

whats your input mb128? What kind of setup are you looking for? A 100% all out power with no regaurds to sound or mpg or something that will benifit sound, mpg, and power?
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Old 12-22-2009, 08:05 PM
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thats nice. how much do the super 44 run? and would i have to have someone install it i dont have a welder
i got mine for $60 from a friend that owns a shop.

http://www.autoanything.com/exhausts...A3965A0A0.aspx

thats a link on the 44 for a good price... I got the first one (the black case) on mine. Mine was also welded on but you can also do a clamping job on it. If you are good with simple tools and clamps then you can do it on your own... if not then it would be smart to just get someone to do it for you.
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Old 12-22-2009, 08:06 PM
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well that is obvious... the more you can move in and out the more efficient the engine will be but we are not talking about a race application here... logically, for a dd you need that backpressure to maintain a non rich person's wallet and not go broke from the gas they have to put in every 100 miles.

Correct me if im wrong mb128, but what you are looking for is something that is practicle, sounds good, gives good economy, and will provide good power... what you have written out there Jp7 i support 110% but that is not the case of situiation here.

Ive got experience with a 3.0, which is mine... and ive got experience with other ranger 3.0 engines that made a poor decision to do true duals on a lightly modified 3.0... its not good in the sense of sound and mpg... it reved like a dream and had a ton of room for some great race tunes but its just not smart at all for an average daily driver.

whats your input mb128? What kind of setup are you looking for? A 100% all out power with no regaurds to sound or mpg or something that will benifit sound, mpg, and power?
3.0 is a very inefficient pushrod engine. VE is very low. You can't compare it to say a 3.0 of the 2JZGTE.

If you want it to sound 'cool' then find a clip of a muffler you like on youtube, buy it and have it installed. You won't notice a difference in performance or mileage with the same driving habbits. If you want the truck to "look fast" buy an exhaust, and "cold air intake". If you want the truck to go "fast" then start working on the engine.
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Old 12-22-2009, 08:12 PM
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i first did the MAC Performance intake and felt some differences... then i did the super 44 setup and i could feel it really open up but since i took out all the over axle bends and brought it out before the tire i lost backpressure and mpg... it revs easier than before, mpg is now stable, has good power, and it sounds great. next is the u/d pullies, coils, and tuner. that will be the last of the simple stuff to add power and then onto the engine itself, not just bolt ons.
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Old 12-22-2009, 08:19 PM
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i first did the MAC Performance intake and felt some differences... then i did the super 44 setup and i could feel it really open up but since i took out all the over axle bends and brought it out before the tire i lost backpressure and mpg... it revs easier than before, mpg is now stable, has good power, and it sounds great. next is the u/d pullies, coils, and tuner. that will be the last of the simple stuff to add power and then onto the engine itself, not just bolt ons.
I can't feel significant horsepower gains sometimes - and never with bolt-ons, and I work on a dyno 3 days a week. You must have a more sensitive ass then I do. I know somethings fast when I can feel the skin tight on my face in 3rd gear or if my rear end comes off the seat when it is slanted back too far.
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