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Old 03-07-2017, 12:26 PM
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Default No crank no start. For PATS sake.

Hey

So my 2001 Ford Ranger 3.0 will not start. No crank no start. The theft light is blinking rapidly. So I'm assuming it's something to do with the PATS.

Video of theft light:
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I've tried the two keys I have for it. Nothing.

I called a Ford Dealership and the mechanic couldn't help me much over the phone, he tried to and we surprised that my fuel pump was kicking in and my relays were clicking. He told me to jumpstart the starter but that didn't work. It made a whining noise and he said it could be bad and to test that. Other than that he said I would just have to get it towed there. Can't really afford that though.

The theft light blinking like that must mean there is a problem though... Right?

I've not had time to pull the started and get it tested.

Any help would be great. I may have missed something very simple, so any advice would help me a lot.

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Old 03-07-2017, 03:35 PM
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Theft light means the key isn't programmed.


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Old 03-07-2017, 04:09 PM
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Are you using cheap aftermarket keys?
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Old 03-07-2017, 04:14 PM
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Theft light means the key isn't programmed. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
so if your right why not give a short explanation of how to program a key or is this a dealer only fix? Never understood why people bother responding with an answer but no solution to fix.
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Old 03-07-2017, 06:06 PM
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Default Re: No crank no start. For PATS sake.

I really hope that reprogramming the key will work.

Should I just take the keys to Ford?

I think one of the keys is the origial, and the other is a cheap one. The cheap one was being used when it stopped working.

PATS is not that fun to learn about. So thanks for the help.
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Old 03-07-2017, 07:52 PM
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Default Re: No crank no start. For PATS sake.

Reprogramming the key won't help. The pcm is not getting the signal from the sending unit at the key.Check for bad wires bad or corroded or blown fuses or relays. The pcm must receive a signal from the key to start.
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Old 03-07-2017, 07:55 PM
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I really hope that reprogramming the key will work.



Should I just take the keys to Ford?



I think one of the keys is the origial, and the other is a cheap one. The cheap one was being used when it stopped working.



PATS is not that fun to learn about. So thanks for the help.
You have to take the keys and vehicle to Ford as far as I know. It may be a simply be a ignition key code erase and program the 2 keys again or it may end up needing keys or other diagnosis.

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so if your right why not give a short explanation of how to program a key or is this a dealer only fix? Never understood why people bother responding with an answer but no solution to fix.
Excuse the hell out of me.
I gave a possible reason for the issue. When the theft light flashes repeatedly when you try to start the vehicle its an immobilization code being thrown, key is not programmed or theres a fault in the system elsewhere.
As far as I know its a dealer or anyone with the IDS software fix. Not sure if a locksmith is capable of actually working with the PATS or not.
I only know of one way to program keys without the IDS. And it requires 2 working keys to do it. On the older vehicles supposedly you can leave the key on for 15 mins then switch keys and repeat and it programs them but I've never done it so I can't speak for that method.



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Old 03-07-2017, 08:36 PM
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......................I think one of the keys is the origial, and the other is a cheap one. The cheap one was being used when it stopped working.......................
The reason I asked about the key was, sometimes the aftermarket ones flake out and quit working without warning. I know Stratec is an OEM vendor for keys to Ford (and you will see a letter S stamped on the key) and I was told there was a second vendor and I can't remember the name. So with that said, if your other key is OEM, give it a try.
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Old 03-07-2017, 08:59 PM
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The reason I asked about the key was, sometimes the aftermarket ones flake out and quit working without warning. I know Stratec is an OEM vendor for keys to Ford (and you will see a letter S stamped on the key) and I was told there was a second vendor and I can't remember the name. So with that said, if your other key is OEM, give it a try.


Can't tell you how many times a no start/crank has been caused by a Stratec key


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Old 03-07-2017, 09:02 PM
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Bummer. Because that means Ford has a lot of pissed off customers and spent valuable $ on warranty and roadside warranty tows.
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Old 03-08-2017, 04:28 AM
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Default Re: No crank no start. For PATS sake.

So, y'all think I need to take it to Ford to get it fixed? Bummer. I was really hoping to avoid that.

I was reading a little bit about a tune being able to disable PATS. I really need to do more research into it, but does anyone have any advice or experience in this?
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Old 03-08-2017, 07:50 AM
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Default Re: No crank no start. For PATS sake.

Hop on the http://eectuning.org/forums/ and ask about disabling pats, make sure you tell them you just want to send it out or you will get miles of replies on software and cables and laptops... if you are going to do it just once sending it out is much better.

Hope the link to the specialty board is OK mods, that board is no threat to this one in any way.
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Old 03-08-2017, 08:32 AM
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So, y'all think I need to take it to Ford to get it fixed? Bummer. I was really hoping to avoid that.
That depends on your skill level and ability. With that said, if you believe your keys need reprogramming then you can program PATS using FORScan installed on a lappy and an ELM adapter, thus avoiding having to visit a dealer. FORScan also pulls extended codes, something to keep in your back pocket.

Did you try the other key yet?
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Old 03-08-2017, 09:22 AM
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That depends on your skill level and ability. With that said, if you believe your keys need reprogramming then you can program PATS using FORScan installed on a lappy and an ELM adapter, thus avoiding having to visit a dealer. FORScan also pulls extended codes, something to keep in your back pocket.

Did you try the other key yet?
O/T (a little) is your ELM wireless or USB? I have USB but wondered if the wireless/bluetooth is as easy to use. I don't own FORScan yet but use other softwares since I don't like windows and use ubuntu. Eventually I will be assimilated and keep a dual boot on hand but I really dislike windows.

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Old 03-08-2017, 09:38 AM
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Bluetooth, and pairing/connecting is simple. I use this ELM adapter: http://www.obdlink.com/mxbt/
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