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Old 06-12-2010, 04:20 PM
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Chris you nailed it! I am so sick of people posting about how electric fans don't make a difference. If you talk to anyone that has actually done it they will tell you it does!
I actually did do it.........on 5 different rigs and guess what..........no difference in fuel economy or gain in noticeable HP.
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Old 06-13-2010, 09:15 AM
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I have an e-fan and even did a how to on it recently. I haven't seen any real noticeable gains in mileage or hp. Thats not the reason I did it though. I did it to eliminate the loud ass clutch fan, which is just plain annoying when you're in city stop and go traffic, and so I can turn off the fan when crossing deep water. This keeps the water from splashing the engine and keeps the engine from bogging down. I didn't spend tons of money on it Maybe $60 total including all the wiring. It is wired very simple with solenoids and an on off switch so if something does go wrong I can fix the wiring on the side of the road, in a mater of minutes. In the worst case that the actually fan motor would fail, the truck can still be limped home. (I have had this happen before.) It is amazing how fast you can drop the engine temp just by turning on your heater. An electric fan will draw more electrical load, but that doesn't make the engine work harder. The alternator is not gonna be harder to turn with more of an electrical load on it. They already produce more output than needed, that is way they have regulators on them. Don't install one because you think your mileage or hp will increase, because what little gain you get will not be noticeable.
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Old 06-13-2010, 09:38 AM
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I have an e-fan and even did a how to on it recently. I haven't seen any real noticeable gains in mileage or hp. Thats not the reason I did it though. I did it to eliminate the loud ass clutch fan, which is just plain annoying when you're in city stop and go traffic, and so I can turn off the fan when crossing deep water. This keeps the water from splashing the engine and keeps the engine from bogging down. I didn't spend tons of money on it Maybe $60 total including all the wiring. It is wired very simple with solenoids and an on off switch so if something does go wrong I can fix the wiring on the side of the road, in a mater of minutes. In the worst case that the actually fan motor would fail, the truck can still be limped home. (I have had this happen before.) It is amazing how fast you can drop the engine temp just by turning on your heater. An electric fan will draw more electrical load, but that doesn't make the engine work harder. The alternator is not gonna be harder to turn with more of an electrical load on it. They already produce more output than needed, that is way they have regulators on them. Don't install one because you think your mileage or hp will increase, because what little gain you get will not be noticeable.
SEE! LOL also dont go cheap azz fan, get a unit that will move MORE than the stock unit as you will also be loosing the shroud in most instances which will make the electric unit much less efficient
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Old 06-13-2010, 10:12 AM
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SEE! LOL also dont go cheap azz fan, get a unit that will move MORE than the stock unit as you will also be loosing the shroud in most instances which will make the electric unit much less efficient
My cheap fan actually moves more air than most after market fans available. I got mine off a v8 lincoln town car. It has it's own shroud, so there is no need to keep the stock one. It is very efficient with a high and low speed. Even with the recent temps, reaching up 97 degrees, I have not had a single cooling issue, and have not needed the high speed setting. Engine temps do not rise above normal, even with the a/c on and idling in traffic. I have let the truck idle for at least 45 min, and have never had any issues. I have been using this style of fan for 3 years and have only had to replace it once, due the bearings seizing up after 2 years of off road abuse, which is a hell of a longer than the factory fan clutches were lasting.
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Old 06-13-2010, 10:30 AM
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well i appreciate everyone's input positive and negative... i have found out that the 2 10" fans i put on are not quite enough to keep the engine cool while running the a/c in 90+ degree weather, so i will either be looking at getting an 18 inch fan and running that on the radiator and one of the 10's on my condenser or just getting an electric fan from a lincoln town car w/ a 4.6 v8...
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Old 06-13-2010, 10:54 AM
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My cheap fan actually moves more air than most after market fans available. I got mine off a v8 lincoln town car. It has it's own shroud, so there is no need to keep the stock one. It is very efficient with a high and low speed. Even with the recent temps, reaching up 97 degrees, I have not had a single cooling issue, and have not needed the high speed setting. Engine temps do not rise above normal, even with the a/c on and idling in traffic. I have let the truck idle for at least 45 min, and have never had any issues. I have been using this style of fan for 3 years and have only had to replace it once, due the bearings seizing up after 2 years of off road abuse, which is a hell of a longer than the factory fan clutches were lasting.
my factory clutch is going on 140,000 miles and 10 years. If you are having issues it is usually caused by too tight of belt tension and a bent fan blade. IF you ever heard a fan clutch then you had problems other than the clutch
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Old 06-13-2010, 10:56 AM
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well i appreciate everyone's input positive and negative... i have found out that the 2 10" fans i put on are not quite enough to keep the engine cool while running the a/c in 90+ degree weather, so i will either be looking at getting an 18 inch fan and running that on the radiator and one of the 10's on my condenser or just getting an electric fan from a lincoln town car w/ a 4.6 v8...
Do as Areyouforcereal? did so it is done correctly 2-10" fans will move less air than 1 14" fan. stop afro engineering it and do it right if you are going to do it
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Old 06-13-2010, 11:08 AM
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that i don't understand because 2 10 inch fans equal 20 inches of air flow and they flow 5k cfm each i'm not sure what the factory clutch fan is putting out but i don't think it would be near that
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Old 06-13-2010, 01:13 PM
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Yea I'm gonna do a conversion to electric but no one posted on my thread! LOL I found a fan but I'm not sure if there are better ones out there? Also maybe some tips on installing...
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Old 06-13-2010, 01:36 PM
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I know that when my fan clutch isn't kicked in my throttle response is a lot better. I can at a dead stop and if my fan clutch is kicked in my truck will not spin the tires. If its not kicked in it will roast them just by me punching it. Its been proven that they do put a drag on the motors. You can F250 6.4L PSD's with or without them. Ford even rated the 6.4L with the fan clutch by about 15 less HP.

I know some hardcore drag racers and they have always went electric. Yeah you will probably not notice a huge difference driving around with the exception of the absence of the loud annoying ass wind tunnel sound coming your motor. Most likely giving your vehicle more HP would decrease the mileage. There is several engine experts that will tell you, you cannot add horse power and expect a gain. I doubt you'd see an improvement over that you yourself will notice, but I guarantee you will see throttle response with no fan clutch. Without a fan clutch or fan if you are moving at a high rate of speed your motor will not over heat for a good bit. I know because a few drag racers don't even have any fans period, in fact some of them are so nuts they start them and remove the battery once they are running to take out 20-30lb's just to get that extra second.

I know for a fact them guys aren't wrong. So do what you will. I just know my Expedition had one, and it was never loud like my ranger is, but I went electric on it, and it was a lot better. My fan clutch is brand new from autozone, and honestly I think its set to kick in entirely way to low, because it seems to run non stop half the time with the exception of when I have my windows down and I am not running no A/C. I maybe wrong here but if I am spinning my god damn tires, I wouldn't know it because of that loud ass fan under the hood.

Cars have ran them for years with no issues at all. I never had one go out on any vehicle I've owned. If they are wired right, they won't mess up. They will kick in when needed, and kick out when not. My Taurus I had never kicked in unless it was setting still and it would kick in and then kick out.
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Old 06-13-2010, 03:38 PM
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I know that when my fan clutch isn't kicked in my throttle response is a lot better. I can at a dead stop and if my fan clutch is kicked in my truck will not spin the tires. If its not kicked in it will roast them just by me punching it. Its been proven that they do put a drag on the motors. You can F250 6.4L PSD's with or without them. Ford even rated the 6.4L with the fan clutch by about 15 less HP.

I know some hardcore drag racers and they have always went electric. Yeah you will probably not notice a huge difference driving around with the exception of the absence of the loud annoying ass wind tunnel sound coming your motor. Most likely giving your vehicle more HP would decrease the mileage. There is several engine experts that will tell you, you cannot add horse power and expect a gain. I doubt you'd see an improvement over that you yourself will notice, but I guarantee you will see throttle response with no fan clutch. Without a fan clutch or fan if you are moving at a high rate of speed your motor will not over heat for a good bit. I know because a few drag racers don't even have any fans period, in fact some of them are so nuts they start them and remove the battery once they are running to take out 20-30lb's just to get that extra second.

I know for a fact them guys aren't wrong. So do what you will. I just know my Expedition had one, and it was never loud like my ranger is, but I went electric on it, and it was a lot better. My fan clutch is brand new from autozone, and honestly I think its set to kick in entirely way to low, because it seems to run non stop half the time with the exception of when I have my windows down and I am not running no A/C. I maybe wrong here but if I am spinning my god damn tires, I wouldn't know it because of that loud ass fan under the hood.

Cars have ran them for years with no issues at all. I never had one go out on any vehicle I've owned. If they are wired right, they won't mess up. They will kick in when needed, and kick out when not. My Taurus I had never kicked in unless it was setting still and it would kick in and then kick out.
BLAH BLAH BLAH. Like I said..........show me the ACTUAL PROVEN NUMBERS BEFORE AND AFTER THE SWAP to verify the HP increase and I will believe you. Until then you are just blowing hot air........By the way if you ever heard the fan clutch and or fan moving it was totally screwed up.
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Old 06-13-2010, 03:59 PM
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that i don't understand because 2 10 inch fans equal 20 inches of air flow and they flow 5k cfm each i'm not sure what the factory clutch fan is putting out but i don't think it would be near that

1+1 does not always equal 2...........without EVEN coverage across the ENTIRE surface of the radiator you will create hot spots and cause cooling issues. There is more to it than just CFM. Oh and Id love Where you found a 10" fan that does 5,000 CFM!

Since even a SPAL high performance 10" fan only puts out 1070 CFM.
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Old 06-13-2010, 04:27 PM
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just my .02 here but it IS going to have better response times with out a bigass fan having to be spun on the frount of it so it might not be an actuall HP increase but it will be able to get up to rpm faster do to lack of drag. and also another few advantages of doing an e-fan is you can kick it on high when offroading and have one less thing to worry about and its one less thing youll have to do if you decide to go and put a v8 in your ranger hahaha
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Old 06-13-2010, 04:49 PM
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yeah sorry that was a typographical error it flows 1000 cfm each and i know that the areas where the fans are not in contact w/ the radiator will get hotter but thats why i staggered them because the water pump makes the fluid from from passenger side to driver side from top to bottom, that is why i had one at each hose connection... i have since the last message gone and gotten a 16 inch fan that flows 2500 cfm and so far its doing exactly what the clutch fan did, flow enough air to cool the condenser and radiator. you know you don't always have to act like an ass on here to prove tsuperiority, i understand your conflict w/ the fact that you don't get better horsepower or mileage that is "quantifiably noticeable". So if you have absolutely nothing constructive to say anymore, although i have agreed w/ you in recent posts about the mileage and hp increase being non existant oh and by the way I don't afro engineer things on my vehicle, you see i am currently still an ASE certified auto technician so i know how to work on things and do them properly please just keep your two cents to yourself. We have all heard that you did mile by mile tests and you have not noticed any difference other than the wind tunnel effect not being there, but its getting extremely old to hear the same thing over and over again... thank you
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Old 06-13-2010, 06:19 PM
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yeah sorry that was a typographical error it flows 1000 cfm each and i know that the areas where the fans are not in contact w/ the radiator will get hotter but thats why i staggered them because the water pump makes the fluid from from passenger side to driver side from top to bottom, that is why i had one at each hose connection... i have since the last message gone and gotten a 16 inch fan that flows 2500 cfm and so far its doing exactly what the clutch fan did, flow enough air to cool the condenser and radiator. you know you don't always have to act like an ass on here to prove tsuperiority, i understand your conflict w/ the fact that you don't get better horsepower or mileage that is "quantifiably noticeable". So if you have absolutely nothing constructive to say anymore, although i have agreed w/ you in recent posts about the mileage and hp increase being non existant oh and by the way I don't afro engineer things on my vehicle, you see i am currently still an ASE certified auto technician so i know how to work on things and do them properly please just keep your two cents to yourself. We have all heard that you did mile by mile tests and you have not noticed any difference other than the wind tunnel effect not being there, but its getting extremely old to hear the same thing over and over again... thank you
People want to only hear what they want to hear. If you dont want the truth then why as the question? Frankly I dont believe a bit of your ASE certification.

Ill drop it because you will do what you are going to do anyway.. Post up your ASE cert.
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