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Old 03-18-2013, 12:08 PM
thatranger thatranger is offline
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Default Pissed, new rear seal leaking, ADVICE NEEDED on clutch/bearings

Just notice today, that the new rear main seal is leaking a lot, about a week ago I cleaned the underside of the tranny/rear oil pan with some carb cleaner to see if any more leaks happen (thinking that the tranny has a leak somewhere that the ford dealership didn't see) but its oil. Its not leaking enough to get low of oil, but I can see drops comming from the engine onto the rear cat and coating on the tranny. Question, can oil come from the rear main seal onto the new flywheel and clutch? Can it hurt the new flywheel and clutch for driving it about two weeks. Also can it hurt the brand new bearings that we installed as well? I've read on other forums where people asked if they can lube up the bearings and everyone says no that it'll hurt them.

I need some good advice, does ford just need to replace the rear main seal, or should I make them replace the whole clutch/pressure plate and bearings? I DO NOT want my bearings going out AGAIN causing me to replace the clutch and everything.

If you want to read why I've replace the clutch, you can read it on this thread, but note that there is alot of reading.

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Info: Payed over grand for ford to replace the clutch+rear main seal. They spotted the rear main seal leaking and fixed it for added cost. Now two weeks later its leaking alot from that area. Clutch doesn't slip in gears, but isn't as grabby the first week, breakin period? I don't really think so since my brother's '11 4.0 is still grabby with 13k.

Edit: Just found out the guy who did the work at ford doesn't work there any longer, odd.

Info I've found on rangers with this happening:
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From personal experience a leaky rear main will cause the clutch to slip and it will depend on how long that the rear main has been leaking and how bad that it is leaking. Mine was not noticeable until I started to go up a hill. My B2200 had to have the rear main seal replaced and the clutch was full of oil.

The clutch kit was replaced, after all of the oil and dirt were removed, only because I knew someone that worked at the local Autozone. If it had not known someone at the local shop, i would have had to clean and risk putting it back.
With that infomation and similar info I've found on the web so far, I will be asking ford to resurface the flywheel again & replace the whole clutch kit and bearings as well as the rear main seal. OR they can offer some type of warranty on the fly/clutch/bearings for at least 70,000miles. OR I will just cancel payment on my debt card. Others input welcomed.
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Old 03-18-2013, 12:48 PM
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Default Re: Pissed, new rear seal leaking, ADVICE NEEDED on clutch/bearings

All I can say is get them to warranty it or repair it. You paid a lot, and they should cover it. It IS suspicious that the guy left Ford. I know the pre-'93 Rangers had a bad rear main seal design. If it leaks bad it can get on your clutch disk and ruin it. I don't know what it would do to the pilot bearing. It is supposed to be a sealed needle roller bearing. I guess it could eventually sludge up on the splines on the end of the input shaft.
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Old 03-18-2013, 02:11 PM
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All I can say is get them to warranty it or repair it. You paid a lot, and they should cover it. It IS suspicious that the guy left Ford. I know the pre-'93 Rangers had a bad rear main seal design. If it leaks bad it can get on your clutch disk and ruin it. I don't know what it would do to the pilot bearing. It is supposed to be a sealed needle roller bearing. I guess it could eventually sludge up on the splines on the end of the input shaft.
Checked the oil about a week ago (1week after the job) and it was pretty much full, check it today (two weeks later) and its lost 1/2 liter in one week. Is 1/2liter in one week enough to get the clutch replaced? I believe so, but want some others inputs as well as yours.

Their going to warranty it or replace it, and I'm gonna most likely tell them that they need to replace the clutch and bearings again. It doesn't slip in gear, but it slips while changing gears, IE, its every easy to shift then let off the clutch 100% without having to think about it grabbing. Pretty sure that clutch and flywheel is ruined. Should have them replace the clutch plate and bearings and resurface the flywheel again. As well as replace the rear main seal again.

Its odd, I've always changed my oil at 3k, and it didn't look like it lost any oil before oil changes. I believe its been a very slow leak over years, as the oil under neath looks oil, but not the oil under it looks fresh. So older oil before tells me its been an older/slow leak.

I believe the pressure plate is fine, I don't think any oil will mess that up, besides just cleaning the oil off of it. So I think its best to just make them replace the clutch plate, resurface flywheel and all bearings, if they don't, i'll threaten to cancel my debt card.
A 70,000mile warranty, I shouldn't have to do, for the clutch to fail and lose my truck again for a WHOLE week like I did last time. They should just replace everything and not have to worry about it. I don't feel like I should keep the parts there when its VERY likely it'll fail within 2years.

Maybe thats what killed my pilot bearing, causing it to lock up the engine and tranny together (why I had the clutch job done in the first place) is oil from the main seal causing that. Not sure why the pilot bearing went bad, but I don't have to have to deal with knowing something can go wrong with my clutch from their mistake.
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Old 03-18-2013, 03:28 PM
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Default Re: Pissed, new rear seal leaking, ADVICE NEEDED on clutch/bearings

You may want to check the oil sending unit, its behind the right cyl head, you can reach it with your fingers, and see if you get fresh oil on them. Oil leaking from that will run down and drip off the bottom.
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Old 03-18-2013, 06:16 PM
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You may want to check the oil sending unit, its behind the right cyl head, you can reach it with your fingers, and see if you get fresh oil on them. Oil leaking from that will run down and drip off the bottom.
Well it doesn't matter what it is, Ford said it was leaking from there, and I kept seeming some type of oil burning after driving my truck, kept thinking that its just left over oil that they didn't clean up (and they didn't clean up anything). So they will be the ones to pay for all the labor if its something else such as the oil sending unit. I'll buy that part. But in all, they will be replacing my clutch at the very least, and I will demand my pilot bearing also being replaced, and the fly wheel and pressure plate * bell housing to be cleaned. Since its Ford's fault.
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Old 03-19-2013, 01:01 PM
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Default Re: Pissed, new rear seal leaking, ADVICE NEEDED on clutch/bearings

Thinking about making them just replace the clutch plate and pilot bearing only.

But can it also hurt the fly wheel and throwout bearing? I think the pressure plate is fine as long as its cleaned from oil.

And a friend pointed out that it could easily cause a fire from the clutch and oil. Never thought of this, but aint driving it till I take it up to ford tomorrow.

The parts have 750miles on them by the way. Really need people's advice on which parts should be replaced and which are okay to still use.
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Old 03-20-2013, 11:56 AM
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Default Re: Pissed, new rear seal leaking, ADVICE NEEDED on clutch/bearings

I don't think the throwout bearing would be affected by a little oil since it's sealed anyway. The flywheel might be cleanable with brake cleaner. As long as it isn't scored it should be ok. The clutch disc would be ruined. The pressure plate can be cleaned as well. The pilot bearing can be cleaned (it should also be sealed). I hope you have a quick repair.
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Old 03-20-2013, 01:57 PM
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I don't think the throwout bearing would be affected by a little oil since it's sealed anyway. The flywheel might be cleanable with brake cleaner. As long as it isn't scored it should be ok. The clutch disc would be ruined. The pressure plate can be cleaned as well. The pilot bearing can be cleaned (it should also be sealed). I hope you have a quick repair.
Yea thats what I was thinking, they should clean it & just replace the clutch disc. Hopefully the flywheel isn't messed up, I doubt they will want to pay to resurfure that. And I really hope they do clean it all up good before closing it back up/putting in the clutch disc.

However the ford guy said "If our Ford parts cause it, then we will replace any parts affected." sounds sneaky. As if they did something to cause something else to leak maybe? And wont cover anything. But it has to be the rear main seal. I smelled oil burning when I first took my truck home, I just assumed it was left over oil burning off & not a new leak.
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