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Old 02-16-2012, 09:11 PM
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Thumbs down Pain in the ass to shift!

Alright, I start up my truck, let her run for ten fifteen minutes. Hop in it, head to wherever. Shifts beautifully, clutch pedal is still stiff. About 30 minutes into a journey though, it just doesn't want to go into gear from a stop.

I can shift down through the gears to first and sit at a light. But the truck still wants to pull forward. Getting it into first (or reverse) from a stop is almost impossible. And even accelerating Im having to time it more and more for it to actually go into gear.

And the clutch pedal feels just as stiff but it doesn't seem to be disengaging? Or maybe a synchro issue? How does one bleed a clutch on this vehicle? I dunno though. Im not near experienced enough to diagnose this and its just becoming a pain in the ass. Thank you. All input is appreciated

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Old 02-17-2012, 05:03 AM
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Default Re: Pain in the ass to shift!

It may be the pilot bearing trying to sieze up on the input shaft.
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Old 02-17-2012, 05:39 AM
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Default Re: Pain in the ass to shift!

let me know if you get it figured out mines a pain in the ass to shift into first sometimes all the other gears are fine tho
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Old 02-17-2012, 01:49 PM
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Default Re: Pain in the ass to shift!

Yeah, ill let you know for sure.

What else would be a symptom of the pilot bearing.

I could see how that could cause the issues, but I dont really have the tools to drop my tranny. So just trying to be close to sure about the problem before I dig into it.

Also Im gunna assume the slave is internal? since I dont see it chillin under the hood or on the tranny.
Thank you again!
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Old 02-17-2012, 02:23 PM
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Default Re: Pain in the ass to shift!

It is not the pilot bearing. Most likely it is either the clutch master cylinder or the slave cylinder. You need to check the fluid level in the master cylinder and then report back what you find........

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I can shift down through the gears to first and sit at a light. But the truck still wants to pull forward.
when you are sitting at the light the truck is in gear and the clutch is fully depressed(all the way to the floor)?
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Old 02-20-2012, 01:01 PM
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Most likely it is either the clutch master cylinder or the slave cylinder.

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when you are sitting at the light the truck is in gear and the clutch is fully depressed(all the way to the floor)?
Alright, see i thought this was consistent with air in the system, but I don't ever touch hydraulics. Hah The fluid level is fine.
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and yes, at a light, clutch completely depressed, it wants to pull. Only after Ive been driving for a while though. At first its all fine, but ten miles or so into a trip it is unbelievably difficult to do anything.
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Old 02-21-2012, 04:14 AM
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try bleeding it first. have a friend hold down pedal and you crack the bleeder open for a split second then close it back up. friend pumps back up and repat till you get a solid stream of good fluid. watch the resivor dont let it run out of dot 3 brake fluid.

the problem is somehow the clutch isnt disengaging fully. the throwout bearing could be trying to lock up but normally they will start squealing real loud. do you know how many miles are on your clutch? master cylinder and slave ever been replaced?
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Old 02-21-2012, 05:10 AM
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Alright, see i thought this was consistent with air in the system, but I don't ever touch hydraulics. Hah The fluid level is fine.
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then bring it to a mechanic because there is no way that can be fixed without touching something to do with "hydraulics"
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Old 02-21-2012, 01:39 PM
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Default Re: Pain in the ass to shift!

I've had this happen twice on my truck due to a bad slave cylinder causing gears to be difficult when stopped or at slow speeds... I'm starting to notice it more at higher speeds but I haven't seen any changes in my clutch pedal.
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Old 02-21-2012, 03:06 PM
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Default Re: Pain in the ass to shift!

I was just saying I have close to zero experience with these kind of clutches, so I'm not sure on anything.

I guess I'll try replacing the slave, and check on everything else while im in there, over next weekend. Thank you all. I've been doing more reading, and others with the issue started there.

Thanks again
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Old 02-21-2012, 03:25 PM
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I guess I'll try replacing the slave, and check on everything else while im in there, over next weekend.
FYI......replacing a slave on these trucks is a lot of work...so while you are in there checking everything else out you should replace the flywheel, disc, PP, tb, slave and PB.
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Old 02-21-2012, 03:52 PM
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try bleeding it first. have a friend hold down pedal and you crack the bleeder open for a split second then close it back up. friend pumps back up and repat till you get a solid stream of good fluid. watch the resivor dont let it run out of dot 3 brake fluid.
If you do this, it will make the problem WORSE, Clutch systems are not pedal bled, they are gravity bled.

Fill the resivoir up to the top, crack the bleeder and let the fluid flow on it's own. make sure you fill the resivoir up a total of 2 times (fluid wise) and do not let the resivoir go empty, this will flush any crap out of the fluid and push any trapped air bubbles out of the lines.


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Old 02-21-2012, 04:18 PM
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If you do this, it will make the problem WORSE, Clutch systems are not pedal bled, they are gravity bled.

Fill the resivoir up to the top, crack the bleeder and let the fluid flow on it's own. make sure you fill the resivoir up a total of 2 times (fluid wise) and do not let the resivoir go empty, this will flush any crap out of the fluid and push any trapped air bubbles out of the lines.


Troy.
http://www.hrpworld.com/index.cfm?fo...ction=category
power bleeder does wonders too. did mine after a clutch replacement 3 years ago and no problems since
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Old 02-21-2012, 07:59 PM
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That's AWESOME!! I need one now I've always used a mightyvac.


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Old 02-22-2012, 04:20 AM
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If you do this, it will make the problem WORSE, Clutch systems are not pedal bled, they are gravity bled.

Fill the resivoir up to the top, crack the bleeder and let the fluid flow on it's own. make sure you fill the resivoir up a total of 2 times (fluid wise) and do not let the resivoir go empty, this will flush any crap out of the fluid and push any trapped air bubbles out of the lines.


Troy.
im not trying to argue beacuse im not an expert, but i tried gravity beleeding mine once and it just didnt work. so my dad got in the truck and hit the pedal. we did that a couple cycles and i havent touched it since. been running for almost a year
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