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Old 06-17-2011, 08:23 PM
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Default Bleeding clutch SNAFU

I have a '99 Ranger 2WD, and I was bleeding the clutch today. The fluid was completely black, and there was a big slug of white stuff that came out with the first couple of pumps on the clutch pedal. I did get all the black fluid out. Unfortunately, I ran the tiny little reservoir too low and I got air in the line. I'm assuming that it's in the master cylinder, but now I can't get the air out.

I've seen the video for the Perfection clutch bleeding procedure, but that means I'd have to take the whole system out to bench bleed it. Also, I can't disconnect the fitting at the transmission. I got the plastic collar off without damaging, but I couldn't release the quick connect fitting. I think it's been on there too long and it won't break free. Do I need a special tool to release the connector?

So now I feel like I'm kind of screwed. I can't get the the air out of the clutch line, and I can't disconnect the system so that I can bleed it properly. Anyone have any thoughts?

Even if I replace the clutch and slave, I still can't get the old system out. Any help would be GREATLY appreciated.
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Old 06-18-2011, 06:47 PM
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Update: Someone let me borrow an injector pump to back-bleed the system. So I hooked it up, cracked the bleeder screw, and sure enough it pushed the fluid back up into the reservoir. I was getting rid of more dark fluid, and some small white "floaties." Not sure what it was, but it shouldn't be in the system.

I pushed more fluid through the system and got a nice, clean reservoir of fluid. So I stepped on the clutch pedal and I still can't disengage the clutch. I'm at a loss. I really don't know what else to try. My next step is to just pull the whole tranny, replace the clutch and the slave, and bench bleed the whole thing.

Has anyone every had a similar problem?
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Old 06-18-2011, 06:52 PM
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what the hell did you do.
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Old 06-18-2011, 10:16 PM
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Is this the kind of help one will find on this site?
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Old 06-19-2011, 06:57 AM
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I guess he wants to put his two cents in.

I'll figure it out eventually, it will just take me some time.
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Old 06-19-2011, 07:27 AM
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Default Re: Bleeding clutch SNAFU

Sounds like your slave cylinder just happened to fail as you were working on your truck. I have done oil changes, etc. at the garage and the car started fine on the way in , but the starter went bad while it was up in the air on the lift. Seen lots of other things like that too, just the way things happen sometimes. I assume you and a friend are bleeding the clutch out correct? Pump the pedal (slowly!) 6 times and hold it down while the other guy cracks the bleeder screw, let the air out, then tighten, then repeat. Should only have to do this 4 or 5 times. Keep in mind you may have a defective master cylinder as well. Don't just blame the slave cylinder in the tranny. Or both. Like I said ive seen strange things happen before. Good luck!
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Old 06-20-2011, 03:19 PM
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Hey sleeperrx7, thanks for the feedback. I was doing this by myself, so I connected a drain line to the bleeder screw, and pumped the pedal slowly with my hand. I've never been able to get a helper when I needed to do this on any of my vehicles, so I've always done it solo.

After the solo trick failed, I tried to reverse bleed the system by using an injector pump to force fluid through the bleeder screw and into the reservoir. I got clean fluid in the reservoir, but I still have a soft pedal and no clutch.

Now that I've got air in the system, my understanding is that the only way to get it out is to bench bleed it because of the way the master sits on an incline. Is this true, or can I still bleed it properly while it's installed?

Based on how dirty the fluid was, and how long it's been in the truck (original, I assume - 12 years old) I wouldn't be surprised if flushing it caused the slave or master, or both, to fail.

When I ran it dry on my first attempt, I may have damaged the seals in the master cylinder, which wouldn't surprise me at all.

I was going to remove the reservoir, master and the line, and try to bleed it out. If that doesn't work, then I'm just going to replace the whole clutch, slave, and master.
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Old 06-21-2011, 04:49 PM
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Default Re: Bleeding clutch SNAFU

sleeperrx7, I wrangled my daughter out to the truck to help me. The directions you gave me made a huge improvement on my '04 FX4.

I'll go back and try it on my '99 Ranger and see if I can get the air out with your method.

Thanks for the help.
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Old 06-22-2011, 07:11 AM
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Default Re: Bleeding clutch SNAFU

I am having the same problem with bleeding my clutch system. I replaced everything below and haven't been able to pressurize. I saw the same video by Perfection and would prefer not to pull everything out and bench work it. Someone told me they went into the cab and while the master cylinder is still on the firewall, "removed the retainer clip. Bled fluid from the top of the master cylinder and it worked great, although it was a bit messy." Might look at that idea today. Otherwise...I;m open to suggestions!!
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Old 06-24-2011, 02:04 PM
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I'm not really sure how you can bleed the master while it's installed. How do you remove the pushrod?
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Old 06-24-2011, 10:09 PM
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I don't think it is possible to bleed the master in the truck because of the angle it sits. On my 03 I just pried the pushrod out after disconnecting from the petal. If your going through the trouble of pulling it out it's worth replacing to save from this trouble later down the road.
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Old 06-25-2011, 07:20 AM
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Default Re: Bleeding clutch SNAFU

I looked at the mastercylinder and decided it would be too much of a problem, especially given the limited space to work in. I ended up towing the truck to a clutch speciality shop. They quoted me 30 minutes and it took them two hrs.
They said of all the rangers they've run thru the shop, mine was the hardest one they've had to bleed. So I don't feel to terribly incompetent considering the pros with the state of the art equipment, had a rough time at it as well!!
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Old 06-26-2011, 03:18 PM
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I don't think it is possible to bleed the master in the truck because of the angle it sits. On my 03 I just pried the pushrod out after disconnecting from the petal. If your going through the trouble of pulling it out it's worth replacing to save from this trouble later down the road.
How did you pry the pushrod out of the master? Does it twist to lock in, or is there an e-clip or something that releases it? I don't want to break anything, and it's hard to see what's holding it in.
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Old 06-26-2011, 03:40 PM
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Default Re: Bleeding clutch SNAFU

its possible to bleed in the truck but the front end has to be like 3 ft up in the air
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Old 06-29-2011, 08:53 PM
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its possible to bleed in the truck but the front end has to be like 3 ft up in the air
While this may be true, I question the practicality...

I managed to pull the reservoir and master out, bleed it out just like the Perfection clutch video shows, and put it back in.

I was surprised. It only took me about 10 minutes to get the line disconnected, unhook the pedal, and remove the whole thing from the truck. I bled the master on the bench, and then reinstalled. Reinstallation took a bit longer only because I had to keep shifting from under the truck to back in the cab to adjust the master to fit into the bracket. But it wasn't too difficult. I got a stick to hold the pedal down and bled the air from the slave by myself. It's really not a hard job. I was surprised at how easy the whole job was. The key is to take your time, and be patient. Don't force it and get in a hurry. That was my mistake, and the reason I got air in the system in the first place.

I'll post pics, and my procedure.
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