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Old 12-15-2014, 07:05 PM
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2001 2wd 3.0L 5 spd manual 131xxx miles

[read this] About 1200 miles ago I changed my rear main seal, clutch, and oil pan gasket (in my driveway, an adventure). To do this I had to drain the transmission fluid and naturally replaced the old fluid with new fluid. When buying the necessary parts I trusted autozone to be able to look up the correct tranny fluid for my truck. They had the truck taking Mercon V ATF. I did the whole repair, and fully reassembled the truck. When I started the truck for the first time everything seemed ok except for one thing, the truck (not the motor to be clear) was running a bit loud, but not so loud that it really worried me, I just assumed I was imagining it. I've been driving around since with no issues except a slight increase in noise coming from the transmission.

[definitly read this!] The nature of the noise however is what is perplexing. The truck makes the most noise in 5th gear, no noise in 4th gear, some noise in 3rd gear and really no noise in any other gear. When the clutch is pushed in the noise goes away (but i replaced the throw out bearing so I don't think its that). What is most striking is that when the stick is in the neutral and I push the shifter to the right side of the transmission (towards 5th but still in neutral) the noise gets louder AND when i push the shifter towards the drivers side of the vehicle (towards first and second) the noise goes away.

I had hypothesized that I might have underfilled the tranmission with fluid, however this is very unlikely. Then, Eureka! I double checked my owners manual and found that it recomended Mercon ATF! After some further searching though I found ambiguity online about what type of fluid this transmission takes, and furthermore found that the two types of fluid are largely the same.

What is the differnce between Mercon ATF and Mercon V?

How likely is it that this issue is a result of replacing Mercon ATF with Mercon V ATF?

PLEASE HELP
and thank you for reading this mess
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Old 12-15-2014, 07:31 PM
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So you put ATF (automatic transmission fluid) in a manual transmission?

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Manual transmissions take gear oil or mercon makes a manual transmission oil which is the same thing. But putting ATF in a manual tranny prolly screwed up your tranny becuz the hears aren't getting lubricated like they should be.
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Old 12-15-2014, 07:35 PM
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So you put ATF (automatic transmission fluid) in a manual transmission? ---------- Manual transmissions take gear oil or mercon makes a manual transmission oil which is the same thing. But putting ATF in a manual tranny prolly screwed up your tranny becuz the hears aren't getting lubricated like they should be.
fail!

mercon is ATF first off

older ford manuals use to just take mercon
Ford now says to just use Mercon V

so no the fluid did not mess up his Trans

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2001 2wd 3.0L 5 spd manual 131xxx miles [read this] About 1200 miles ago I changed my rear main seal, clutch, and oil pan gasket (in my driveway, an adventure). To do this I had to drain the transmission fluid and naturally replaced the old fluid with new fluid. When buying the necessary parts I trusted autozone to be able to look up the correct tranny fluid for my truck. They had the truck taking Mercon V ATF. I did the whole repair, and fully reassembled the truck. When I started the truck for the first time everything seemed ok except for one thing, the truck (not the motor to be clear) was running a bit loud, but not so loud that it really worried me, I just assumed I was imagining it. I've been driving around since with no issues except a slight increase in noise coming from the transmission. [definitly read this!] The nature of the noise however is what is perplexing. The truck makes the most noise in 5th gear, no noise in 4th gear, some noise in 3rd gear and really no noise in any other gear. When the clutch is pushed in the noise goes away (but i replaced the throw out bearing so I don't think its that). What is most striking is that when the stick is in the neutral and I push the shifter to the right side of the transmission (towards 5th but still in neutral) the noise gets louder AND when i push the shifter towards the drivers side of the vehicle (towards first and second) the noise goes away. I had hypothesized that I might have underfilled the tranmission with fluid, however this is very unlikely. Then, Eureka! I double checked my owners manual and found that it recomended Mercon ATF! After some further searching though I found ambiguity online about what type of fluid this transmission takes, and furthermore found that the two types of fluid are largely the same. What is the differnce between Mercon ATF and Mercon V? How likely is it that this issue is a result of replacing Mercon ATF with Mercon V ATF? PLEASE HELP and thank you for reading this mess
Is this a man* Trans or auto

manual transmission don't have a oil pan
automatic transitions don't have a clutch

so pick which one you have plz
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Old 12-15-2014, 07:36 PM
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fail! mercon is ATF first off older ford manuals use to just take mercon Ford now says to just use Mercon V so no the fluid did not mess up his Trans ---------- Is this a man* Trans or auto manual transmission don't have a oil pan automatic transitions don't have a clutch so pick which one you have plz
so you're saying putting ATF in his manual tranny is right?
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Old 12-15-2014, 07:37 PM
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so you're saying putting ATF in his manual tranny is right?
what else are you going to put in there??

and yes....yes I am
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Old 12-15-2014, 07:42 PM
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what else are you going to put in there?? and yes....yes I am
im thinkin of the old mustangs we had to put 90w gear oil in the trans didnt relize nowadays manuals can take ATF
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Old 12-15-2014, 07:44 PM
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im thinkin of the old mustangs we had to put 90w gear oil in the trans didnt relize nowadays manuals can take ATF
must have been a really effin old mustang

gear oil in the Trans would be bad
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Old 12-15-2014, 07:55 PM
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71 we also did it in a 69 f100
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Old 12-15-2014, 08:01 PM
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71 we also did it in a 69 f100
Yup lol
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Old 12-15-2014, 08:16 PM
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fail!

mercon is ATF first off

older ford manuals use to just take mercon
Ford now says to just use Mercon V

so no the fluid did not mess up his Trans

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Is this a man* Trans or auto

manual transmission don't have a oil pan
automatic transitions don't have a clutch

so pick which one you have plz
Replaced the engine oil pan gasket– all engines have those– and as far as I know most Manual fords take ATF these days
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Old 12-15-2014, 08:18 PM
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Replaced the engine oil pan gasket– all engines have those– and as far as I know most Manual fords take ATF these days
bearings inside the Trans might be bad

Does it grind at all when shifting?
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Old 12-15-2014, 08:57 PM
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bearings inside the Trans might be bad

Does it grind at all when shifting?
No issues shifting, it changes gears pretty smooth
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Old 12-15-2014, 09:47 PM
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So you put ATF (automatic transmission fluid) in a manual transmission?

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Manual transmissions take gear oil or mercon makes a manual transmission oil which is the same thing. But putting ATF in a manual tranny prolly screwed up your tranny becuz the hears aren't getting lubricated like they should be.
wrong.....

To get back on point, I doubt the fluid is whats making all the noise. Did you replace the pilot bearing?
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Old 12-16-2014, 07:02 AM
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2001 2wd 3.0L 5 spd manual 131xxx miles

(but i replaced the throw out bearing so I don't think its that).
Throw out bearing = pilot bearing
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Old 12-16-2014, 07:08 AM
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Throw out bearing = pilot bearing
no....
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