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Old 11-19-2016, 08:40 PM
aroundincircles aroundincircles is offline
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Default 2 way vs 3 way speakers?

So I am looking at upgrading my head unit down the road to a nice DD, looking at this one specifically:
http://amzn.to/2ffGEWx (I had the previous gen in another car and really liked it so sticking with what i already like).

but would like to upgrade the speakers when I take the door panels off to replace the door mirrors, in the more near future, since I'm going to be in there anyways, and don't want to have to take them off twice. I know that they are 6x8's, but there are 2 way and 3 way speakers. Is there any real difference between the two? pluses or minuses? I've read all the marketing lingo, and all it does is make me have more questions.

I listen to 75% audio books/talk radio in the car, 25% music, I'm not looking for something to rattle the windows off, just something that is nice and clear when people are speaking.

Like this set of 2 ways, http://amzn.to/2fsVOFI, is $11 cheaper than this set of three ways http://amzn.to/2fceicq same brand, same looking series. I just don't know...

anyways, anything to help me out trying to pick a set of speakers. I've bought speakers in the past, but usually the cheapest I could to replace a blown factory speaker. I want to buy something a little nicer (but again, not trying to go crazy) this time.
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Old 11-19-2016, 09:46 PM
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Default Re: 2 way vs 3 way speakers?

My '08 FX4 has the 290 watt Pioneer system, and I was thinking of upgrading to these:
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Pioneer-T...&wl13=&veh=sem
There's nothing wrong with the OEM speakers (2 way), but I think the 3 way units will add to the overall sound quality.


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Old 01-24-2017, 12:50 PM
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So I am looking at upgrading my head unit down the road to a nice DD, looking at this one specifically:
http://amzn.to/2ffGEWx (I had the previous gen in another car and really liked it so sticking with what i already like).

but would like to upgrade the speakers when I take the door panels off to replace the door mirrors, in the more near future, since I'm going to be in there anyways, and don't want to have to take them off twice. I know that they are 6x8's, but there are 2 way and 3 way speakers. Is there any real difference between the two? pluses or minuses? I've read all the marketing lingo, and all it does is make me have more questions.

I listen to 75% audio books/talk radio in the car, 25% music, I'm not looking for something to rattle the windows off, just something that is nice and clear when people are speaking.

Like this set of 2 ways, http://amzn.to/2fsVOFI, is $11 cheaper than this set of three ways http://amzn.to/2fceicq same brand, same looking series. I just don't know...

anyways, anything to help me out trying to pick a set of speakers. I've bought speakers in the past, but usually the cheapest I could to replace a blown factory speaker. I want to buy something a little nicer (but again, not trying to go crazy) this time.


Im sorry in advance, I am a bit of an audio snob in the sense of Sound Q (quality) means. At this point unless you just want some noise in the car to say you have noise, price should only reflect getting the most for your dollar in audio and NOT reflect your budget as far as a limit but what its worth to you.

Is "audio" something you're into?

Is sound quality important or just wanna be able to roll a window down and prove that you can pass a kidney through your colon too?

How much time do you spend in your vehicle to appreciate/want/need to invest a specific amount into an audio project?

I know it sounds a little absurd but they all make up a larger decision.

I didnt read the specs of your truck but for as long as Ive known, all door speakers have been of the 5x7 variety.

Now you asked the question of 2 way vs 3 way. A speaker has general specifics. You have a speaker thats usually a woofer for instance like a 5x7. Then you will see them sometimes with what looks like a shallow dixie cup glued to the center of the cone (termed as a "wizzer cone" back in the day). This focus some of the higher frequencies the speaker is capable more towards the center and does a rather poor but pulls off the task of centering the higher frequencies to 'simulate' a tweeter effect [NOTE - NOT a tweeter]

A true 2 way usually comprises up a woofer coupled with a tweeter, obviously a 3 way incorporates a smaller mid-range speaker and a tweeter usually centered above the woofer and each speaker just adds more separation of the frequencies; therefore the audibly-felt impression of cleaner sound becomes apparent.

In short i'd grab a thumb drive or handful of well known CD's you know good enough the sound for "sound-referencing" and just listen to a few brands of interest and let your ears do the shopping and mmm..., not so much your wallet unless you're on an extreme budget conscious level you just can't shop any other way.

I'm not saying I dont have a ceiling for a budget or have to console my wallet sometimes for a purchase; hell, i've had to save up for many a stupid 'wants' that weren't needs. I am simply trying to offer another perspective of thought.

As for anyone just trying to shove a box under your arm because THEY say these are the best speakers ever made and you should buy them because... Oh I dunno, Dr. Dre had a set in his golf cart and got paid really damn good to endorse them.. Absolutely not. Everyone hears something different than yourself or I and although I could potentially show/point out to you with my selections of music genre's things you may have never heard or paid attention to before. It doesnt mean the speakers im playing for you to do so sound any better than Brand a or b. Materials, quality of craftsmanship, customer service, warranty, and the guy whose really listening to YOU about what you may be looking for in sound systems will make you want what you want.

As a side note, Dre "beats' headphones sound like shit, but I still rock his music on my tablet system.
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Old 01-24-2017, 05:32 PM
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I've got a set of pioneer 3 way speakers in my doors and I've been pretty happy with them. definitely an upgrade over the standard speakers, even with the " premium 80 watt" factory CD/cassette player lol.
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Old 01-24-2017, 05:50 PM
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A "3 way" coaxial has ZERO benefit over a 2 way coaxial. Ultimately it's just a gimmick to get people to buy a substandard product.

If you want to stick with a 5x8 at that price range get the jbl gto. Alternately you can use a 5.25 or 6.5 coaxial with an adapter plate.

Parts express used to carry the 5.25 2 way component plate set that came stock in some rangers. Those were fantastic. Something like that would be great as well.



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Old 01-24-2017, 09:05 PM
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A "3 way" coaxial has ZERO benefit over a 2 way coaxial. Ultimately it's just a gimmick to get people to buy a substandard product.

If you want to stick with a 5x8 at that price range get the jbl gto. Alternately you can use a 5.25 or 6.5 coaxial with an adapter plate.

Parts express used to carry the 5.25 2 way component plate set that came stock in some rangers. Those were fantastic. Something like that would be great as well.



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A gimmick you say... how so and how do you explain or prove your "theory" of such claim?

If I isolate the natural roll off of what a speaker setup can naturally produce from low to high via:

7" woofer plays from say 62hz - 200hz
Then utilized a 5.25" mid range to play from 200hz - 1200khz
And used either a soft or hard domed tweeter to play from 1200khz to 20khz

All using 24 dB x-over slopes I am essentially cleaning up and literally slicing vertically the frequency band. In Sound Q, this effectively gives far better separation and allowing each speaker to focus on its own strengths rather than using or wasting energies or perhaps distortion characteristics. This improves imaging and Sound staging and makes it easier to get and allowing naturally flat response on an RTA.

granted very few people in today's ideals of audio outside of sound Q run around listening to flat RTA curve as a personal taste or choice. But their is a huge reason outside of material quality and craftsmanship why so much emphasis is spent on a x-over quality, the enclosure design, and frequency separation and response..

I doubt you've had too many opportunities to listen to very high end audio where some old geezer has invested in a pair of near $100k speakers with $10k wiring on $4k worth of just pre-amp and amplifiers. But there is more than subtle differences and not just bragging rights.

So I am curious in your determination of a gimmick
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Old 02-01-2017, 01:57 AM
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What you described is a 3 way component set. Not a 3 way coaxial.

You forgot to read the entire first sentence of my post and as result did a whole bunch of typing for no reason.

You're talking to someone that runs an active front stage.

No one drives around listening to a flat curve. Everyone ramps up from around 100hz down to whatever they have the ability to Eq to and rolls off starting around 4k or so depending on personal taste. This is why DSPs have presets.

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I replaced the OEM speakers with these:

Pioneer TS-A6886R 6" x 8" 4-Way Speaker

Factory radio (CD/ MP3) and they sound great.
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I replaced the OEM speakers with these:

Pioneer TS-A6886R 6" x 8" 4-Way Speaker

Factory radio (CD/ MP3) and they sound great.
I just ordered the same set.

Won't get them till wedsday but I put the head in today,
a Kennwood KDC-BT565U. It's nice even with the stock speakers.

I was asking if I should use bass blockers with the new ones.
Do you feel they need them?
I just don't know that much about shuch things.
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You dint need bass blockers, if youre worried about it play with the high pass filter

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Thanks,
I'll try it.
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I just ordered the same set.

Won't get them till wedsday but I put the head in today,
a Kennwood KDC-BT565U. It's nice even with the stock speakers.

I was asking if I should use bass blockers with the new ones.
Do you feel they need them?
I just don't know that much about shuch things.
I don't have a clue about bass blockers. I just installed and fired it up.

If you ordered the Metra speaker harness PN: 72-5600 be aware of the positive/ negative wiring. I had to switch the pins for proper polarity (2002 Ranger).
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I don't have a clue about bass blockers. I just installed and fired it up.

If you ordered the Metra speaker harness PN: 72-5600 be aware of the positive/ negative wiring. I had to switch the pins for proper polarity (2002 Ranger).
I didn't order any harness, was just going to use the stock wiring.
From what I understand is bass blockers goes on the + side of the speaker wire and it helps with distortion.
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