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Old 04-28-2013, 06:19 PM
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Just frustrating to see every non-5.0L swap thread ostracized as being impossible and dumb.
for 99.99999% of people all engine swaps are impossible. they dont comprehend the complete dynamics of it. nor do they have the tools or smarts to know how. just like about 99.1% of the threads in this swap forum are just all talk.
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Old 04-28-2013, 06:49 PM
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for 99.99999% of people all engine swaps are impossible. they dont comprehend the complete dynamics of it. nor do they have the tools or smarts to know how. just like about 99.1% of the threads in this swap forum are just all talk.
Yup and most of the people arguing that you shouldn't do a mod motor swap have never done a motor swap at all.
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Old 04-28-2013, 07:08 PM
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Yup and most of the people arguing that you shouldn't do a mod motor swap have never done a motor swap at all.
so true.. let alone done more then change spark plugs on engines. I have lost count the amount of engines I have rebuild over the years. just redid my 29 ford engine a little while ago. cant wait till next week putting the chassis and running gear back together. still on the hunt for a 24 stud flathead to put in it. now thats an engine swap LOL
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Old 04-28-2013, 08:22 PM
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even the 3.7 wont fit...
WHAT?! Man, that was my dream to drop a 3.7 in from a mustang or F150 in 10years. It would be pretty light & fast. Also has options for superchargers if more power is needed.

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for 99.99999% of people all engine swaps are impossible. they dont comprehend the complete dynamics of it. nor do they have the tools or smarts to know how. just like about 99.1% of the threads in this swap forum are just all talk.
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Yup and most of the people arguing that you shouldn't do a mod motor swap have never done a motor swap at all.
Yup, pretty sure everyone who replies to these topics know it, but still give proper info anyways, like myself. The people that do it, do it then post pics proving it, not asking questions. Mainly because the people who are smart enough to do a swap don't need to ask questions, they either already know, or look up the information themselves. Not to mention they already understand that it takes a ton of hours to do the work, along with a few grand in tools that are required, but they already have own over the years.

Back in the day with older cars, it was pretty easy to swap motors, they had enough room & not many parts to mess with, just simple (but still needed a good amount of know-how). Now-a-days with all the wiring and computers, and other extra stuff that cars have now, its 10times harder.

I believe the question that the OP needs to answer, has he ever removed an engine? If not, then this swap isn't for you, period, unless you have plenty of money to pay someone.
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Old 04-29-2013, 04:04 AM
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WHAT?! Man, that was my dream to drop a 3.7 in from a mustang or F150 in 10years. It would be pretty light & fast. Also has options for superchargers if more power is needed.
yep the 3.7 just like every other DOHC modular motor is super wide with the heads installed...you could make it work but it would need ast decent amount of fab work
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Old 04-29-2013, 04:32 AM
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I can't even find info on its dimensions at all. No idea the true size of it. I have seen it in person on the dyno it doesn't look at big as the new 5.0l sitting next to it.
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Old 04-29-2013, 04:41 AM
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according to rough measurements from a mustang forum

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I can give you rough measurements, mine is about 23" W, 23" long including pulleys but not the bell housing. Top to bottom included the intake and oil pan is about 29".
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Old 04-29-2013, 04:49 AM
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Either the guy measured wrong or it's only 3" less width then 4.6 sohc, it's 8" less then the dohc 4.6.

Either way I would still stick with a sohc 4.6 or 5.4 and not either of the dohc engines. Plus if you have ever driven the both and know the difference. The sohc has more ass at low end the dohc engines have to rev pretty decent to get the power. Both are good I just prefer the sohc 4.6 over the dohc. Look up race videos between p74 and marauders. The p74 has the marauders ass for a decent amount in the beginning and when the marauder finally revs to its power band then it takes off. Alot of guys complain about the marauder in stock from if they owned a p74 before it. They don't like it's power in the city. Now on the hw it's a rocket ship compared to a p74
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Old 04-29-2013, 11:03 AM
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Either the guy measured wrong or it's only 3" less width then 4.6 sohc, it's 8" less then the dohc 4.6.

Either way I would still stick with a sohc 4.6 or 5.4 and not either of the dohc engines. Plus if you have ever driven the both and know the difference. The sohc has more ass at low end the dohc engines have to rev pretty decent to get the power. Both are good I just prefer the sohc 4.6 over the dohc. Look up race videos between p74 and marauders. The p74 has the marauders ass for a decent amount in the beginning and when the marauder finally revs to its power band then it takes off. Alot of guys complain about the marauder in stock from if they owned a p74 before it. They don't like it's power in the city. Now on the hw it's a rocket ship compared to a p74
Yup, thats the main problem with engines now-a-days, you can either get power at the bottom or top, but not both. Well you could get similar power like that with a twin turbo or bi-turbo(?) setup, with a small turbo for low rpms, and bigger one for high rpms. Or the fancy turbos that change. But thats a completely different idea then swapping in a v8.
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my truck makes peak torque at 1600-2K RPMs which is right where it needs to be.
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Old 04-29-2013, 05:36 PM
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Either the guy measured wrong or it's only 3" less width then 4.6 sohc, it's 8" less then the dohc 4.6.

Either way I would still stick with a sohc 4.6 or 5.4 and not either of the dohc engines. Plus if you have ever driven the both and know the difference. The sohc has more ass at low end the dohc engines have to rev pretty decent to get the power. Both are good I just prefer the sohc 4.6 over the dohc. Look up race videos between p74 and marauders. The p74 has the marauders ass for a decent amount in the beginning and when the marauder finally revs to its power band then it takes off. Alot of guys complain about the marauder in stock from if they owned a p74 before it. They don't like it's power in the city. Now on the hw it's a rocket ship compared to a p74
i dont know what i was looking at. Possibly a bbf. But yes the 4.6 sohc is 3in wider than a 302.
It will fit in a ranger and under stock hood. The steering will be the biggest fab project, due to exaust routes.
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Old 04-29-2013, 06:47 PM
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yep the 3.7 just like every other DOHC modular motor is super wide with the heads installed...you could make it work but it would need ast decent amount of fab work
Yea, when I have my own place & slowly build up my tools/skills (at least 10years) I might take on that project. But as for now I don't have the space/tools/skills for that. Can only do simple stuff like oil changes, tranny fluid change, plugs/wires, t-stats, alternators, coil-packs, throttle bodies, sensors, diff fluid change, intake gaskets, valve covers, etc. The main next thing I want to do/learn is timing belts. And also head gaskets (while engine is still in) depending on the car/truck. Which isn't bad for a 20year old who works full time + full time college.
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Timing is simple. The hardest part is getting the motor to tdc on the compression stroke. Tip to do that: pull plugs( all cylinders) and turn engine over with a breaker bar on the balancer and ur finger on the #1 plug hole till u feel suction then line up timing marks on balancer with pointer. If its belt driven cam shaft thats a different process completely. Same for pistion stroke, but the cam timing is quite difficult if never done before. But learnable in a few hours with a ohc engine to play with.
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i dont know what i was looking at. Possibly a bbf. But yes the 4.6 sohc is 3in wider than a 302.
It will fit in a ranger and under stock hood. The steering will be the biggest fab project, due to exaust routes.
SOHC wont have any issues if you keep the stock manifolds for the steering it looks like.
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Timing is simple. The hardest part is getting the motor to tdc on the compression stroke. Tip to do that: pull plugs( all cylinders) and turn engine over with a breaker bar on the balancer and ur finger on the #1 plug hole till u feel suction then line up timing marks on balancer with pointer. If its belt driven cam shaft thats a different process completely. Same for pistion stroke, but the cam timing is quite difficult if never done before. But learnable in a few hours with a ohc engine to play with.
Yup, I wish I had a beater car, or (preferred) inline 4 single cab 5speed ranger that I can mess with. But it would need a bad motor or tranny, so I wouldn't fix it & drive it, just use it to learn how to work on it. Also 'wish' I had a inline 4 first gen focus 5speed that could be my backup car.
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