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Old 05-25-2013, 08:51 PM
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Default '83 Ranger 2.0 not starting

Hi everybody, you are my only hope. I have a 1983 Ranger 2WD with 2.0 engine. I was driving that truck every year from May to September. It started with no problems. This year it is just cranking and cranking and not firing up at all. Symptoms and replacements:
1. new spark plugs
2. new spark wires
3. new coil
4. new ignition module
5. new distributor cap
6. new distributor rotor
6. timing belt checked (both camshaft marks align and crankshaft at TDC)
7. I have spark on the first spark plug
8. Gap on spark plugs 0.035 inch
9. carburetor has been taken apart-everything was clean
10. fuel filter on the carburetor is clean and the gas is flowing into carburetor
11. I have gas in the carburetor - if I press gas pedal it will squirt into intake manifold
12. Even if I spray starting fluid into the carburetor with accelerator at the floor it will not fire up, not even once

Now please tell me, what is wrong with it? I left a full tank of gas since September 2012. Old gas? Why it is not firing with starting fluid?

Please help me.
Peter
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Old 05-26-2013, 04:10 AM
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Default Re: '83 Ranger 2.0 not starting

When the cam and crank marks are lined up, is the rotor pointing at the #1 spark plug tower?
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Old 05-26-2013, 08:28 AM
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Default Re: '83 Ranger 2.0 not starting

Sounds like a lack of spark. I've only worked on EFI cars so I can't help much more than that.
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Old 05-26-2013, 10:37 AM
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Hi guys,

yes, when the cam and crank marks are lined up the rotor is pointing the the #1 spark plug tower. I do not know what to do with that thing.

Thank you very much so far for your replies.

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Old 05-26-2013, 11:29 AM
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Default Re: '83 Ranger 2.0 not starting

I, as you say, the timing is right on the distributor, and you have spark, and the belt was put on right, and there's fuel flowing right and it still won't start even with starting fluid, what does that leave? It leaves nothing getting into the cylinders.

Does the cam shaft turn if you turn over the engine? Is the key on the front gear in place?
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Old 05-26-2013, 11:57 AM
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Broken timing belt, and have you checked for this? 180* off on your initial timing setting and have you checked for this? Initial timing setting not slightly advanced (~8*) from TDC but instead, retarded too much (ie, initial timing not carefully set)? Incorrect firing order during new plug wire installation? Is it a strong, hot, bright blue spark or a wussy, weak little spark?

If you've got compression, if you've got fuel and if you've got spark at the right time, even "about" the right time, it's either gonna run or at minimum, it's gonna pop/bark. Not to offend, but what what would be the odds that something on your list is old news, an assumption/guess/inaccurate/not thoroughly investigated, etc? Because really, your bases should have been covered.
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Old 05-26-2013, 12:44 PM
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Hi everybody,

all the stuff that I named is new was bought and installed yesterday. I drove the truck last September and parked it. The engine is old and tired, it may not even have a strong compression. But after every winter it started right up even with old gas with a first crank. The engine is eating oil - I am adding every other week like a 1/3 of a bottle to keep it between the marks.
When I aligned the timing marks on the camshaft together, the crankshaft mark showed 10. I did not believe that it jumped by itself.

I set the timing like this:
1. I found TDC of the first piston with a stick and checked the TDC mark on the cover as well
2. I took the timing belt cover off and saw that the marks on camshaft are not lined up
3. I took the belt down and I aligned the camshaft marks together (keeping the crankshaft without move)
4. I turned the engine two times with a wrench to check if the belt did not jumped

I have a full tank of gas from September 2012. What I think is that the gas might be old to fire up in the engine that has a week compression. I am going to try to put fresh gas into carburetor to see if it is going to fire up. What I can not understand is, why it is not firing up with starting fluid. Firing order is OK. 1-3-4-2. I was not able to see the strenght of the spark, I was cranking, my brother was checking it.

So today, I am going to try a little bit of a fresh gas into the cylinder and into the carburetor to see if it will fire at all.

Thank you so far for your help.

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Old 05-26-2013, 06:02 PM
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Default Re: '83 Ranger 2.0 not starting

The items in my earlier post so far seem to be MOL ignored as far as solving the issue, no response to them and with particulars has been made, and as such I have no more to add until I get a useful response. Your gas is not too old to be a problem unless somehow and for some very abnormal reason, you have tons and tons of water in it, and from what you've posted that does not appear to be the issue.
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Old 05-28-2013, 01:05 PM
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Hi everybody. After I tried almost everything, I decided to pull the truck behind another truck to create a better spin for the engine. And it did start. I checked the ignition timing with the timing light while the engine was running and it was reading 22 degrees what is far too much. (with engine idling and vacum hose on)
When I turned off the engine again, I was not able to start again. It looked like the starter is having a hard time to spin the engine fast enough. My brother was turning the distributor while I was cranking. We got it up and running. While he was turning it while I was cranking, it was cranking somewhat faster and slow. But never like it supposed to. After a longer crank it started but only at 22 degree setting.
We checked the timing belt again and it was OK, the distributor rotor has been pointing at first cylinder while the timing belt has been at those marks.
Hard cranking occured also last year when I had a starter problem. It was done. I replaced it at oreilley's for remanufatured one that is there since July 2012. I bought a new battery today and it is cranking the same way as the old one (2009). The guy suggested to pull the starter out and he is going to give me another one. I have no problem to start it when it is cold. That is no problem. But when I drive it let's say 20 minutes and it became hot it is spinning very hard and slow and I am not able to start it. Even if somebody is turning the distributor as a last chance to find the sweet spot for me.

Is it possible, that because the engine is worn and it burns oil a lot that it needs to have a 22 degree ignition timing to start? Or is it just the starter that is causing all this?

And yes, the truck plate states that it should be set at 6 degrees and we did set it that way, but then we have been not able to start it at all.

Thank you for all your help so far.

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Old 05-28-2013, 05:46 PM
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Default Re: '83 Ranger 2.0 not starting

I realize you've checked the timing marks and distributor and everything, but to run only with the timing that far advanced, it sounds like you're off by a tooth.
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Old 05-29-2013, 09:32 AM
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............I checked the ignition timing with the timing light while the engine was running and it was reading 22 degrees what is far too much. (with engine idling and vacum hose on) .............
If your ignition is overly advanced, then yeah, the more overly advanced it is then harder starting will follow, right up to the point of no-start. Set the timing using the correct procedure, then you can rule that out as a problem.
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Old 06-02-2013, 01:46 PM
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Hi everybody,

the truck is finally running. I took off the vacum hose and set the distributor at 6 degrees like it supposed to be. I checked the timing belt one more time. Everything was OK. I started right away. But only when the engine was cold. I decided to remove the starter and get a replacement since I bought it in August 2012. And that was the problem. Starter was not spinning the engine fast enough. The replacement (remanufactured in China) is working flawlessly. Right now I am able to start it cold and hot.

The only difference is, that I checked the "wrong" ignition timing with the vacum hose on - it was 22 degrees. Then I took it off and it showed 10 degrees. I set it to 6 like it supposed to be. But the performance is just worse. It was pulling much better with 10 degrees. I guess it is because the engine is old, eating oil, not a lot of compression. I am thinking about putting it back to 10 degrees.

Thanks to all of you who tried to help.

Have a nice day.

Peter
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