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Old 02-26-2011, 02:47 PM
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Default Re: Changed timing belt, now I have a loud clacking noise HELP!!!

Does the auxiliary shaft on my 94 2.3 drive the oil pump?

I can turn the pulley in the proper direction and after a round or two I can feel a slight resistance as if it's picking up the oil.
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Old 02-26-2011, 03:51 PM
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Trying to get it back together before the rain moves in tomorrow.

Any suggestions?
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Old 02-26-2011, 04:37 PM
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Does the auxiliary shaft on my 94 2.3 drive the oil pump?

I can turn the pulley in the proper direction and after a round or two I can feel a slight resistance as if it's picking up the oil.
it is on mine, couldn't say for sure how it works on yours
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Old 02-26-2011, 05:26 PM
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Could the sound be coming from the valve train? I took both plugs out of cyl. #1 and didn't see a valve on top of the piston

Could I have a bad cam follower or lash adjuster? It's hard to get a finger over the sparkplug hole to seal it off well enough to listen for the air escaping under compression.

Kind of grasping at straws here.
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Old 02-26-2011, 05:28 PM
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first things first, did you get all the marks lined up?
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Old 02-26-2011, 05:45 PM
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Yes. The one on the cam sprocket and the keyway on the crankshaft at 12:00 The aux sprocket has a mark but nothing line it up with.

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I know the 93 and 94 years were a little different that other years when it comes to the oil pump/auxiliary shaft.
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Old 02-26-2011, 07:02 PM
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The only thing I can suggest since you don't have a reference mark is to try moving the pulley a tooth or two towards the 11:00 position and see what you get. I'm afraid it's going to be a trial and error thing for you...
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Old 02-26-2011, 08:16 PM
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Default Re: Changed timing belt, now I have a loud clacking noise HELP!!!

Hi,

I check my Chiltons manual for a 94 2.3L and it shows the same info as the diagram above. I'm pretty sure the crank shaft keyway is at 12 o'clock but the roll pin ends up at about 12:30-1 oclock. There should be a slanted mark for the roll pin. Hope this is helpfull. Is this a manual or automatic ... California Version?
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Old 02-26-2011, 09:29 PM
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Default Re: Changed timing belt, now I have a loud clacking noise HELP!!!

It's a 5 spd. non-California. There is a small notch behind the crank trigger that is close to lining up with the roll pin.

Thanks for all the reply's!!
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Old 02-27-2011, 08:27 AM
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I'm fighting this right now on my '83 Ranger 2.3L Carb'd

I'd say it's definitely lining up those 3 gears right to get where you want to be.

So far I've installed/removed the timing belt 20 times (yup, really). The best I've gotten so far: Cam pulley at 5;oclock mark on the timing cover, crank at TDC compression stroke, auxillary shaft 2teeth backwards from 12oclock. It'll almost hold on idle on it's own now (started with epic clacking from valves like your describing)

I have a feeling sometime today I'll get it set dead on, I've gotta be within a tooth either direction now. I plan on counting the teeth on all the gears and the distance between where everything lines up for future referance. As of now I know one tooth on either the cam or auxilary shaft is equal to 9.5* of rotation, and it likes to run about 9.5* retarded (at the crank).

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Old 02-27-2011, 09:28 AM
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Gumcrew2, on your 85 2.3, is the oil pump driven directly off the timing belt or does the timing belt drive an auxiliary shaft that in turn drives the oil pump like mine does?

The Haynes manual shows lining up the oil pump pulley on the 95 and on models at 12:00. It also shows the 93 & 94 having an auxiliary shaft pulley, but shows no place to line it up. Not all years had alignment marks for all the pulleys. I looked for an hour to find a mark for the aux. pulley and there simply isn't one. I cleaned everything thoroughly and the only mark found is on the pulley.

Mine will crank and idle just fine, it just has a clatter like a lifter is clicking.

20 times...wow!. Good luck with your endeavor and post up what you end up with.
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Old 02-27-2011, 11:06 AM
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First shot this morning I got it, try #21!

Cam gear pointed at the 1st (clockwise) of the 3 little marks (gear tooth centered on that mark)

Crank pointing at exactly 0* TDC

Auxilary shaft pointing "3" teeth before 12Oclock (call it 11:15)

Cranked and it will run, and oil pressure goes right up to where it should be. But I've got some other issues going on for sure, it won't idle unless I'm at full throttle (could be carb needs adjustment because before it ran fine idled fine with a broken piston /burning oil blue smoke for 1000mi).


Considering 2 days ago I was holding the new pistons for it I'll consider my laundry list of leaks not too bad at this point. I just did: pistons, rings, rod bearings, pilot bearing, clutch, slave cylinder, ignition coil, distributor cap/rotor, plugs, wires, and replaced all the vacuum lines and hoses, taillights, shocks, door handles, and a radio. My weekend is officially over.

Now I just need to figure out a few other things:

Oil leaking from front crank seal (lovely, but fixable)
Oil puking from dipstick tube at block(tube is broken so that's expected)
EGR line at exhaust manifold LOUD (It's just pressed on?)

Lastly there's a coolant line that goes to the intake manifold? (Line routes from heatercore/firewall to thermostat, and T's off to the intake manifold? WTF?) Is this supposed to go there? Doubt it.
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Old 02-27-2011, 11:25 AM
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I would concurr with "out of time" -- check the cam and crank marks (turn the crank until the cam is on its mark then check at crank -- this must be dead on)

You could be getting interference (valve/pistion) or a valve getting slapped closed by an ignition/fire pulse (not common).

However... are your spark plugs all happy?? maybe you've got a loose one on #1 ?? (you'd hear the pop)

A 94 2.3 engine is a "non interference" engine and unless something broke off or there is a incredible amount of carbon buildup the piston will never hit anything regardless of how off the timing is.
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Old 02-27-2011, 01:06 PM
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A 94 2.3 engine is a "non interference" engine and unless something broke off or there is a incredible amount of carbon buildup the piston will never hit anything regardless of how off the timing is.
Is the 83 a non interference head as well?
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Old 02-27-2011, 02:18 PM
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Well mine is running like a top. I think I had a lifter leak down causing some slack in the cam follower on the #1 cylinder. While the truck was down I took the opportunity to change the oil, filter and installed a new fuel filter. I then cranked the engine, it idled just fine but still had a fast ticking sound. I let it idle for about 15 minutes to warm up then cut it off for about an hour. I went ahead and did the final reassembly i.e. fan & shroud and serpentine belt and when I restarted the engine it purred like a kitten with zero clatter, tick or clacking noise.

For the record I set #1 at TDC, the mark on the cam sprocket was set on the mark, the crankshaft keyway was at 12:00 which places the rollpin at about 12:30-1:00 position. The auxiliary shaft sprocket was set at 12:00 although I don't think it matters on my year model 2.3. The mark on the crank pulley is at the TC mark on the belt cover.

Thanks to everyone for their input. It was all very helpful
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