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Old 11-27-2009, 08:48 AM
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I would still have to see it confirmed with multiple sources before I believed that. Don't take that the wrong way, I'm not saying you're lying or you're wrong.

Even if you did gain 4 HP, the only way it would make a difference is at WOT and redline (killing MPG in the process), and even then it wouldn't be noticeable, and guys have already said as much.
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Old 11-29-2009, 11:31 AM
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the k&n filters are pretty damn $$$... are the washable like the cold air cone filters??
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Yes, they are spendy.. I paid $53 for mine at Fleet Farm.

Yes, you can wash them.. I spent like 10 minutes standing there debating if I should spend the $53 on this filter! LOL Then figured the life of the truck, it should pay itself of.
K&N filters are spendy for a reason, THEY ARE WORTH IT! Think of it this way, Once you buy one, you NEVER have to replace it. It will probably outlast the vehicle that you are putting it on. Do the math on how many stock air filters you would have to buy throughout the life of your car and you end up saving money. On top of that, you get better throttle response, a bit more power, and better fuel economy. Buying a K&N air filter may seem "spendy", but it's a money saver.

As for the Cold Air Intakes or filters only giving a 4hp gain, that translates into more air going into your motor. More air=more power & better mpg. Sure you might only get a 4hp at wide open throttle, but you don't only have to be at WOT to benefit from it. I noticed roughly a 2mpg increase when I installed my K&N cold air intake. There is a lot of debate on here about them, costs too much, etc. Anything that gives me a 2mpg increase is worth the money. It pays for itself with the gas savings. The first thing I do on any car, truck, or motorcycle I buy is get a K&N for it.

Keep in mind K&N puts a lot of research and development into their products. They have access to tools, dynos, flow benches and more. I highly doubt they would sell a product that didn't produce results. In fact, that is their claim, if it doesn't make more power for your specific application, they won't offer it. Pretty sure 99.9% of the people on this board don't have all of that at their disposal to actually test the stock intake minus the muffler vs the K&N intake kit.

I have used their products on the following:

1986 Toyota Cressida - drop in filter
2001 Toyota Camry V6 - Cone on a CAI kit
1998 Mazda B2500 (ford ranger 2.5) - CAI kit
2006 Chevy Aveo (girlfriends car, don't laugh) - drop in
1986 Chevy S10 Blazer - drop in
1993 Suzuki GSXR1100
1994 Yamaha YZF750R
1987 Honda VFR700 Interceptor
1981 Suzuki GS1000
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1986 VF1000R
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Old 11-29-2009, 11:06 PM
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K&N filters are spendy for a reason, THEY ARE WORTH IT! Think of it this way, Once you buy one, you NEVER have to replace it. It will probably outlast the vehicle that you are putting it on. Do the math on how many stock air filters you would have to buy throughout the life of your car and you end up saving money. On top of that, you get better throttle response, a bit more power, and better fuel economy. Buying a K&N air filter may seem "spendy", but it's a money saver.
Not that I want to argue that point, but it could be debatable. I had a K&N filter in my previous vehicle. It cost about quadruple what my stock filter cost. So unless I replaced my stock filter 4 or more times (not gonna happen considering how long they last) there really was no savings at all.
I'm not suggesting there's not benefits to having one. But at the same time, the stock paper filter is more than adequate, and I seem to get better MPG than most other people who have a 4.0, auto trans, 4.10 gears and 4x4. I get 19-21 city MPG - totally stock. Your right foot is the money saver. I'm more interested in having money in my pocket than blowing money on "performance" crap that may cut one tenth of a second off my quarter mile time. I get better mileage than the dudes with CAI's and big exhausts, without spending a dime.
But of course, I'm not "cool", I'm not part of the "in crowd" here, and nobody gives a shit what I say anyway. I know nothing.

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As for the Cold Air Intakes or filters only giving a 4hp gain, that translates into more air going into your motor. More air=more power & better mpg. Sure you might only get a 4hp at wide open throttle, but you don't only have to be at WOT to benefit from it. I noticed roughly a 2mpg increase when I installed my K&N cold air intake. There is a lot of debate on here about them, costs too much, etc. Anything that gives me a 2mpg increase is worth the money. It pays for itself with the gas savings. The first thing I do on any car, truck, or motorcycle I buy is get a K&N for it.
Great, except I wasn't talking about cold air intakes or filters.
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Old 11-29-2009, 11:39 PM
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Not that I want to argue that point, but it could be debatable. I had a K&N filter in my previous vehicle. It cost about quadruple what my stock filter cost. So unless I replaced my stock filter 4 or more times (not gonna happen considering how long they last) there really was no savings at all.
I'm not suggesting there's not benefits to having one. But at the same time, the stock paper filter is more than adequate, and I seem to get better MPG than most other people who have a 4.0, auto trans, 4.10 gears and 4x4. I get 19-21 city MPG - totally stock. Your right foot is the money saver. I'm more interested in having money in my pocket than blowing money on "performance" crap that may cut one tenth of a second off my quarter mile time. I get better mileage than the dudes with CAI's and big exhausts, without spending a dime.
But of course, I'm not "cool", I'm not part of the "in crowd" here, and nobody gives a shit what I say anyway. I know nothing.
Never once said you weren't cool. It is a proven fact that a K&N air filter gives you better fuel mileage. Sure, your right foot can save you money as long as you aren't stepping into it. Combine that with a K&N filter and you get even better mileage.

Have to be honest, I have never once heard of or seen someone refer to a K&N filter as "performance crap" let alone argue that they don't do anything. If you're happy doing what you do, by all means carry on.
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Old 11-30-2009, 12:09 AM
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Never once said you weren't cool. It is a proven fact that a K&N air filter gives you better fuel mileage. Sure, your right foot can save you money as long as you aren't stepping into it. Combine that with a K&N filter and you get even better mileage.

Have to be honest, I have never once heard of or seen someone refer to a K&N filter as "performance crap" let alone argue that they don't do anything. If you're happy doing what you do, by all means carry on.
I meant "performance crap" in general. I did make a point to say that I wasn't trying to imply that there were no benefits to a K&N filter. Please don't put words in my mouth, because I wasn't saying "they don't do anything".

If someone does a mod for the purpose of fuel economy, that's one thing.
But spending money on things for "performance" in a vehicle that (w/o forced induction or engine swap) will never be a race car and already has ample power for any task you can throw at it, is a waste of money, in my opinion.
Again, I'm not specifically referring to K&N air filters.

Just as you tell me to carry on, that's obviously hat everyone else is free to do, too. It's their money. People can spend their cash on anything they like, and more power to 'em. To be honest, back when I was 20, I used to throw away money on things for a couple HP here and there, and I probably wouldn't have listened to reason, either.
And I don't mean you in particular. I know nothing about you so don't take that as being directed toward you.

For what it's worth, all the mods I see that I think are a waste of time/money on a Ranger are exactly the things I would do whenever I score the Mustang GT I've been wanting.
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Old 11-30-2009, 07:58 AM
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Old 11-30-2009, 08:19 AM
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Because this is the internet and there's no such thing?
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Old 11-30-2009, 10:01 AM
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Because this is the internet and there's no such thing?
We can be friends. We were just having a "friendly debate". Nothing wrong with that at all. As long as we don't resort to calling each other names like "fuktard" and acting like internet tough guys, it's all good. I like the fact that Jay and I can disagree and still manage to keep it respectful.

Jay, you have a 4.0 liter V6 in your truck correct? You have quite a bit more power than I do if that is the case. My little 2.5 needed all the help it could get, lol. For a 2.5 4cyl, it does pretty darn good after the things I added. All bolt on of course, nothing internal.

You mentioned forced induction. I just recently installed an original TRD supercharger on my 2001 Toyota Camry V6. They are pretty damn rare. I have quite a bit of work done my Camry. It's a complete sleeper with quite a few aftermarket parts on it. Here are a few pics of it.




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We were just having a "friendly debate". Nothing wrong with that at all. As long as we don't resort to calling each other names like "fuktard" and acting like internet tough guys, it's all good. I like the fact that Jay and I can disagree and still manage to keep it respectful.
Agreed.

You're right about the non 4 liter engines "needing help". In my last reply I was pretty much just referring to the 4.0 - which is sufficient as-is. I do agree that the other motors are underpowered and can really benefit from upgrades.

Sweet Camry! My mother had a lease on a '96. It was an outstanding car in every way, and I'm sure your '01 is that much better.
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Old 11-30-2009, 10:09 PM
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hey twinjetguy..wat year is your truck? im lookin to get a lil more prower out of my truck. like u would just be bolt on type things. got any ideas? and if u can im trying to stay cheep. dont have much money..thanks man. if u want u can personal message me. thanks
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Old 12-01-2009, 11:00 AM
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Agreed.

You're right about the non 4 liter engines "needing help". In my last reply I was pretty much just referring to the 4.0 - which is sufficient as-is. I do agree that the other motors are underpowered and can really benefit from upgrades.

Sweet Camry! My mother had a lease on a '96. It was an outstanding car in every way, and I'm sure your '01 is that much better.
Jay,

This section is called 4 Cylinder Tech and you're in here talking about a 4.0 6cyl? That is like bringing a AK47 to a knife fight, lol. No fair at all! Cut us 4cyl guys some slack already. All jokes aside, the 4cyl's are very underpowered and very restricted. Besides that, in stock form, they really don't get that great of gas mileage. The only reason I bought mine, is that it was all I could afford at the time. I really wanted a Toyota, but it was just out of my price range. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy with my truck. It runs great with 107K on it and some mods here and there.

Thanks for the compliment on the Camry. I actually inherited that car from my mom and told myself I am keeping it. Couldn't believe it when I found out people were tricking them out and there was a supercharger available. You should see the looks on the import guys faces when you smoke them in a Camry!!! Priceless. After a few more mods, a bit more boost, I will be able to start pissing off Mustangs! Now THAT will be fun.

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hey twinjetguy..wat year is your truck? im lookin to get a lil more prower out of my truck. like u would just be bolt on type things. got any ideas? and if u can im trying to stay cheep. dont have much money..thanks man. if u want u can personal message me. thanks
Hey SMS,

Pretty sure I have told you all of this in other threads but let me help you out here. Mine is a 1998 2.5, VERY similar to your 2.3 liter. Here are some suggestions and even links to the parts for your truck.

K&N Air Filter
http://www.knfilters.com/search/prod...x?Prod=33-2024

Helix Brand Throttle Body Spacer
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/93-94...Q5fAccessories

Jet Performance Chip
http://www.summitracing.com/search/y...?Ns=Rank%7cAsc
(Make sure you order the correct one, manual or automatic transmission)

Accel Super Coil Packs
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/AC...ER&prefilter=1
(Pretty sure your truck has the twin plug head. If you need to save money, just order one of these for you intake side, then order the second one later when you can afford it)

Accel Silver Tipped plugs
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/AC...ER&prefilter=1

Flex-a-lite Wide Blade Fan
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/FL...ER&prefilter=1

MSD Spark Plug Wires
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/MS...ER&prefilter=1

Doug Thorley / Jardine cat back exhaust system
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/DTE-86213/


I tried finding a cold air intake kit for your truck but was having trouble finding one on ebay. Worst case, you can just make your own. It's super easy to do. You can buy the silicone couplers at Kragen and come up with your own tube design. Worst case, you could probably even use some black plumbing tubes from home depot. Then just pick up a cheap cone filter to adapt to it.

Can you please take a pic of your motor and post it up here so we know exactly what you are working with?
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Old 12-01-2009, 08:21 PM
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This section is called 4 Cylinder Tech and you're in here talking about a 4.0 6cyl? That is like bringing a AK47 to a knife fight, lol. in stock form, they really don't get that great of gas mileage.
Hmm... I didn't even notice that this was in the 4 cyl section, I guess because it's been pretty far off topic for a while now.

BlueOvalBoy gets great gas mileage out of his, but he might be an exception to the rule, just like I am by getting 20 mpg out of the 4.0.

It would be great to take out Mustangs with the Camry, although (not to take anything away from your car) there are lots of cars that are faster than a stock GT.
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twinjetguy thanks and yea u prolly have and sorry bout that. but dont remember were. and thanks il look into it. but as far as the picture of the engine goes. il try my best to get one. but dont have a digital cam. and if i do get one i will put it ip in my photos. not exacly sure how to add one on to here. do u want the hole engine? or just the intake?.
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Old 12-02-2009, 08:58 AM
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Hmm... I didn't even notice that this was in the 4 cyl section, I guess because it's been pretty far off topic for a while now.

BlueOvalBoy gets great gas mileage out of his, but he might be an exception to the rule, just like I am by getting 20 mpg out of the 4.0.

It would be great to take out Mustangs with the Camry, although (not to take anything away from your car) there are lots of cars that are faster than a stock GT.
Well I am here to get this section back on track! 4 Cylinders it is from now on. As for the Mustand VS Camry, by the time I am done with it which will be soon, I am looking at around 260-270hp at the tires. Yep, you read that right. That is enough to piss off a lot of cars! I can't wait.

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twinjetguy thanks and yea u prolly have and sorry bout that. but dont remember were. and thanks il look into it. but as far as the picture of the engine goes. il try my best to get one. but dont have a digital cam. and if i do get one i will put it ip in my photos. not exacly sure how to add one on to here. do u want the hole engine? or just the intake?.
Hey SMS,

Get a couple pics if you can. Get at least one of the whole engine, and one of your intake. If you have problems getting them on here, you can always just e-mail them to me and I will post them up for you. It's all pretty easy. You don't have any friends with a digital camera?
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i do but ether they have missing things or they dont work. or i forget to ask or its bad wether..my best bet is getting my brothers but i dont get to see him much. hes bout an hour away. u can see part of my engine if u go look at my pictures..i think i may have a fool engine picture there. cant remember. but il try and get them up soon. i have alot planned for my lil truck. just need the time and money.
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