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Old 07-25-2010, 11:26 PM
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Today i changed the oil in my 1996 (2.3l 5spd) ranger for the first time since I bought it and now I have bottom end chatter. Sounds like a diesel dam near. I used quaker state high milage 5w30 and a motorcraft oil filter. Both the sicker under the hood and the manual call for 5-30 but the service records from the previous owner state that 5-20 was used at jiffy lube. What am I missing here? Should I try changing the oil to a standard 5-30 like vavoline or maybe go with a 5-20? I'm worried maybe a heavy weight oil was used to mask the chatter and i got screwed. I know that the noise was not there the day before because I changed the spark plugs and let it idle for a while. wasn't a slight tap at all.
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Old 07-26-2010, 04:12 AM
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Today i changed the oil in my 1996 (2.3l 5spd) ranger for the first time since I bought it and now I have bottom end chatter. Sounds like a diesel dam near. I used quaker state high milage 5w30 and a motorcraft oil filter. Both the sicker under the hood and the manual call for 5-30 but the service records from the previous owner state that 5-20 was used at jiffy lube. What am I missing here? Should I try changing the oil to a standard 5-30 like vavoline or maybe go with a 5-20? I'm worried maybe a heavy weight oil was used to mask the chatter and i got screwed. I know that the noise was not there the day before because I changed the spark plugs and let it idle for a while. wasn't a slight tap at all.
I've never liked quaker state because it seemed to be a thinner oil but even at that your engine shouldnt be rattling. Try a heavier weight oil and see what happens or just put a gallon of lucus in it. And are you sure its not a lifter rattle?
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Old 07-26-2010, 06:41 PM
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no Its coming from the bottom of the engine. in the oil pan. The oil pressure is the same as befor if not a little better. But the sound is driving me crazy. Im going to wally world hear in a bit and get some new oil. I'll let you know if that makes a difference. I find it hard to believe that the penzoil 5-20 that was originally in it would be thicker than the quaker state 5-30 but maybe quaker state is shit oil.....
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Old 07-26-2010, 07:16 PM
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Q-State is crap oil, but thats a side note. I'm guessing this is the first time you changed the oil since you bought it, and you got hosed by the oldest trick in the book. When it sounds like the bottom end is going out, just pour in a quart of Lucas and sell it. The buyer will never know till they change the oil. My brother got a car like that, changed the oil before going on a road trip, and spit the bottom end all over the highway 2 states from home.
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Old 07-26-2010, 11:51 PM
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Yeah im thinking maybe you are right i changed the oil today to castol gtx and it helped a lot. the noise is noticable untill it warms up. Now it seems when the engine is warm and the thermostat opens the noise goes away completly. Maybe the truck doesnt like the heavier weight oil the jiffy lube paper work in it says that 5-20 was used in the previous change. i really hope that i wasn't tricked.
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Old 07-27-2010, 12:00 AM
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dont you think the oil pressure would be toast if the bottom end was worn out? or are they just dummy gauges in the 1996 xlt? this thing has gear oil in the tranny too.... its suppose to have mercon... so far the only thing that has turned out to be in good shape is the rear axle.. knock on wood for me hahahaha
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Old 07-27-2010, 06:45 PM
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Default Re: bottom end noise after oil change?

Mine's a dummy on my '98, but not sure about yours.
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Old 11-07-2010, 09:40 AM
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Today i changed the oil in my 1996 (2.3l 5spd) ranger for the first time since I bought it and now I have bottom end chatter. Sounds like a diesel dam near. I used quaker state high milage 5w30 and a motorcraft oil filter. Both the sicker under the hood and the manual call for 5-30 but the service records from the previous owner state that 5-20 was used at jiffy lube. What am I missing here? Should I try changing the oil to a standard 5-30 like vavoline or maybe go with a 5-20? I'm worried maybe a heavy weight oil was used to mask the chatter and i got screwed. I know that the noise was not there the day before because I changed the spark plugs and let it idle for a while. wasn't a slight tap at all.

I have a 96 Ranger XLT with a 2.3 and still strong at 216000 miles. While I do not have a lower end noise after an oil change, I do have lifter noise at idle for about 100 miles. This is totally normal with that kind of mileage. The 2.3 is a bullet proof motor. Don't know what to tell you about the lower end except STP in the crank to cover lack of maintenance.

On the oil side of things, Pennzoil and Quaker State are the same oil. Pennzoil bought QS years ago, and I can tell you from first hand knowledge, they come from the same refinery and bottling plants. Castrol oil is even worse than Pennzoil or QS. Their additive package is trash and subject to thermal breakdown. Why are they the only one that brags that their oil can take the heat??? Because they have had the reputation of breakdown for years, and still have the problem.

In the cold, 5w20 and 5w30 are the same viscosity and weight. The 5w30 is strictly dino oil where the 5w20 is a semi-synthetic. In an older 2.3, stick to the 30. Better viscosity at higher temps. Switching to syn or semi syn in a high mileage motor is asking for oil leaks.

As far as brands of oil, according to a petro chem engineer friend of mine, the only mass market brands worth putting in a motor are Mobil, Havoline, Chevron (delo) or Valvoline. In regards to dino oil, there are only 2 kinds. Paraffin based and sulfur based. Paraffin crude is practically non-existent except for specialized applications. Nowadays when it comes to motor oil, oil is oil, it is the additive package that makes those brands superior. I've been using Mobil for more than 25 years and have never had engine trouble with any vehicle, even questionable ones I've bought.
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Old 11-08-2010, 12:52 AM
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Default Re: bottom end noise after oil change?

Thanks for the reply Bupsey! When you say STP in the crank are you talking about the oil additive?


Just for the hell of it I tried running 5-20 in the ranger like jiffy lube had used. And now there is no noise again not even a slight tick....
A friend of mine thinks maybe it was lifter noise and the lifters are pumping up better because of the thinner oil.... But I will only run that thin of oil during the winter months. Back to 5-30 when it warms up outside.

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Old 11-09-2010, 03:23 PM
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Yes, I was talking about STP oil additive. There are others too, but that is the best known one.
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Old 11-09-2010, 03:51 PM
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Default Re: bottom end noise after oil change?

BTW, I think you've been mislead about the thickness of oil. At cold temps, the 5w20 flows identically to 5w30. The 5 w means 5 weight. The oil in cold temps is the same viscosity, same thickness, same flowability. The 20 means that it offers the same degree of protection as SAE20, the 30 offers the same protection as SAE30. SAE 20 is the weight of most ATF and hydraulic oils. At the mileage I have on mine, I wouldn't even think of switching to 5w20 only because it's semi syn and I would have leaks all over the place. But since they've apparently been running in yours, it won't hurt. Older engines like ours were not designed for the semi syn or synthetic oils, or the lower protection level, but it won't blow it up either. Just stay away from full synthetics, only because of the age.
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Old 11-10-2010, 08:45 AM
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Default Re: bottom end noise after oil change?

You are greatly mistaken about synthetics.
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Old 11-11-2010, 06:15 AM
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Default Re: bottom end noise after oil change?

I haven't said anything negative or positive about synthetics, nor provided any specifics about their properties, so the confusion obviously isn't on this end.
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Old 11-11-2010, 10:15 AM
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You implied that using syn would cause leaks. The only way that could happen, is if you oil is only kept in by sludge, in which case the detergent properties of a synthetic may clean away your "sludge gasket".

And "older engines are not designed for synthetics". As long as you use the proper weight oil, even an older engine that has lived it's life with conventional oil, can benefit greatly from synthetics. Saying that you can't switch to synthetics on an older engine, is like saying you can't start eating healthy at 50, if you've lived on cheese burgers up to that point.

Your misconceptions are based mainly on the fear of change and resulting beliefs that many older mechanics had about synthetics when they first started coming on the market. These are simply not true.
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Old 11-11-2010, 10:38 AM
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to the piont without arguing invalid points.. use 10w 30 (whatever brand u prefer) and add lucas treatment, and use a good filter, cheap filters are restricting..... I used quakerstate 10w30 in a '98 2.5L from its 1st oil change, until 200k then went to straight 30w, sold at 286,000 and its still running today.. I saw it yesterday
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