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Old 09-06-2017, 07:05 PM
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2 years ago my motor got over 438k miles then died on me in middles road and couldn't get it started up at all and tow it home after 2 years unite now i changed motor but same problem wont started at all but turn over and over then go back fire everytime and i check fuel pump gauge is 40psi and got spark but i dont what other could it be and i wonder what is blue computer by passenger side kick panel does anyone know what is it?
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Old 09-06-2017, 08:29 PM
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Timing issue or plugged cat and no air flow through the system, remember the engine is a big air pump. Unbolt the pipe forward of the Cat and see if it will turnover and fire then. maybe after two years something decided to live in the pipe !

Otherwise would be timing issues if you're getting backfiring on a start up..

and pics help in identifying things..
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Old 09-06-2017, 09:37 PM
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Timing issue or plugged cat and no air flow through the system, remember the engine is a big air pump. Unbolt the pipe forward of the Cat and see if it will turnover and fire then. maybe after two years something decided to live in the pipe !

Otherwise would be timing issues if you're getting backfiring on a start up..

and pics help in identifying things..
i already checked timing not it and dont have exhausted pipe hook up yet because didnt get it started back up
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Old 09-06-2017, 09:56 PM
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And you have pulled codes from it with what results from the CEL?
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Old 09-06-2017, 11:19 PM
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And you have pulled codes from it with what results from the CEL?
show no code but check engine lights still on i dont understand why it still no code at all just stayed on for reason and i replaced all other parts "like coil pack and wires and start plugs and craftshaft tech part x3 time " sound like bad wires from inside truck
i already replace my motor because old one died out on me and one i put in my truck should started up but nothing just turned over few time then goes backfires and i checked timing belt band new and mark are set same spot where other mart r facing at each others " like →←" and motor work and run great in other truck at junkyard and i bought it for $200 and put in my truck and didnt work at all i dont understand why same problem from past to future
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Old 09-07-2017, 04:19 PM
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i checked to all wires inside dash was painbutt big time and find no sing at all and i try started it all i see is oil gauges is died but im thinking bad oil pump cause it wont started up if im right or wrong tell me and im wondering if was just o ring broken and loose all seal to suck it up or i should go get new oil pump? do i have take oil pan off get to it or just timing belt?
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Old 09-08-2017, 02:44 AM
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After two years your fuel in the tank would need to be drained and the tank cleaned.

If you have not done this that is the first thing I would look into.

Your symptoms are exactly what will happen with old fuel.

To confirm this disable the fuel pump and try and start the truck with a secondary fuel source like starting fluid.

If it starts up and runs with the secondary fuel you know your on the right track.

Short of this you will have to perform basic diagnostics to find out what is wrong, but for now keep it simple and eliminate stale fuel from the equation if you haven't done this already.

BTW do not over think this, you may have the same symptoms of the engine cranks and does not start but the problem may be something completely different.

Anything from stale fuel to a bad install could cause your problem.

Did you strip the engine down and just use the Long block from the donor truck or did you use all the parts and accessories harness etc from the donor truck on your truck?

If the year of the engine does not match exactly to what you have there may be a part or two that has been changed in design from year to year.

This has happened to many of our members, the last one turned out to be a harness that came with the engine would not work properly in the truck.
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Old 09-09-2017, 12:53 PM
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After two years your fuel in the tank would need to be drained and the tank cleaned.

If you have not done this that is the first thing I would look into.

Your symptoms are exactly what will happen with old fuel.

To confirm this disable the fuel pump and try and start the truck with a secondary fuel source like starting fluid.

If it starts up and runs with the secondary fuel you know your on the right track.

Short of this you will have to perform basic diagnostics to find out what is wrong, but for now keep it simple and eliminate stale fuel from the equation if you haven't done this already.

BTW do not over think this, you may have the same symptoms of the engine cranks and does not start but the problem may be something completely different.

Anything from stale fuel to a bad install could cause your problem.

Did you strip the engine down and just use the Long block from the donor truck or did you use all the parts and accessories harness etc from the donor truck on your truck?

If the year of the engine does not match exactly to what you have there may be a part or two that has been changed in design from year to year.

This has happened to many of our members, the last one turned out to be a harness that came with the engine would not work properly in the truck.
i did that didnt do anything and i use my wire harness from my truck put on other motor and put in my truck and gas isnt problem i put in lawn mower it started up good and i try starting fluids didnt started up nothing and i check coil pack they r spark once then not aging i thinks something got do with coil pack for reasonable all does sprak once i already put new coil pack and craftshaft tech part on it and wont start and i already digging into dash board wires 2 time find nothing short out at all back in day when i got my truck alway have that problem have wait for oil suck up to tech part then kick on power started up i took my truck to dealship and let then checked my truck out and see what they find all they said oil pump failure ヽ(`⌒)ノmy truck have safe zone in pcm save motor from blowing up or no oil it automatically cut truck off they come out in 94 95 96 97 98 99 and above have safe reason in pcm im wondering get 92 pcm so may start up without oil pump fixed
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Old 09-09-2017, 02:23 PM
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Let me say, they way you type and what your saying is very hard to follow.

If I understand what you posted so far is the used engine has a oil pump failure acocording to the Ford dealership.

I have taken this as your truck will try and start briefly then shut back down due to the loss of oil pressure because you think and Ford is telling you, the spark is being interrupted due to the computer trying to protect the engine by killing the spark.

And now you want to trick the truck into starting by swapping out the computer to a precious year that does not include this engine protection feature.

In your post so far your giving us different information, first you said you had spark now you claim it only sparks once.

I would suggest taking a step back and confirm what Ford told you, by connecting a inexpensive oil pressure gauge to the engine and crank the engine over.

Regardless if the truck runs or not the engine should build oil pressure.

Let us know if your engine has oil pressure or not while cranking, if the engine does not have oil pressure while cranking yet you think it will have oil pressure while running your trying to beat a dead horse.

If you have a oil pressure problem no one could tell you for certain that the oil pump is the issue until they took the engine part.

A lack of oil pressure could be caused by any number of internal engine problems , yes a bad oil pump and or ,worn bearings a clogged pick up and so on.

So far what I have understood is you were possibly sold a junk engine by the junkyard. Which does not make sense since you claim to have heard the truck run beforehand you purchased it.

For now if what I have posted is what you were trying to explain test the oil pressure as I mentioned

If I understood you incorrectly please correct me but please try and explain yourself better.
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Old 09-09-2017, 02:31 PM
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Let me say, they way you type and what your saying is very hard to follow.

If I understand what you posted so far is the used engine has a oil pump failure acocording to the Ford dealership.

I have taken this as your truck will try and start briefly then shut back down due to the loss of oil pressure because you think and Ford is telling you, the spark is being interrupted due to the computer trying to protect the engine by killing the spark.

And now you want to trick the truck into starting by swapping out the computer to a precious year that does not include this engine protection feature.

In your post so far your giving us different information, first you said you had spark now you claim it only sparks once.

I would suggest taking a step back and confirm what Ford told you, by connecting a inexpensive oil pressure gauge to the engine and crank the engine over.

Regardless if the truck runs or not the engine should build oil pressure.

Let us know if your engine has oil pressure or not while cranking, if the engine does not have oil pressure while cranking yet you think it will have oil pressure while running your trying to beat a dead horse.

If you have a oil pressure problem no one could tell you for certain that the oil pump is the issue until they took the engine part.

A lack of oil pressure could be caused by any number of internal engine problems , yes a bad oil pump and or ,worn bearings a clogged pick up and so on.

So far what I have understood is you were possibly sold a junk engine by the junkyard. Which does not make sense since you claim to have heard the truck run beforehand you purchased it.

For now if what I have posted is what you were trying to explain test the oil pressure as I mentioned

If I understood you incorrectly please correct me but please try and explain yourself better.
pardon me im not English person but half Japanese and i agree what you said and oil pressure is showing 0psi whiles motor turning over and motor was from 92 ranger and my truck is 96 anyway have wait get other oil pump but i dont have any money get one i wish could borrow Loan somehow and pay it all back and im trying get truck going so get away from hurricane in few day
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Old 09-09-2017, 03:24 PM
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Ok, the gauge on the dash shows 0 oil pressure while cranking, this does not mean for sure the engine does not have oil pressure.

You can get a cheap gauge from many parts stores as a loner then get your money back once you return it.

Find out if you have oil pressure while your cranking or not.

Just buying a oil pump may not help you at all.

What I would do to save time and money is get the gauge and oil pan gasket plus new oil and a oil filter confirm no oil pressure while cranking.

Then drain the oil into a pan and remove the oil pan.

Remove the oil pump and pickup tube and submerge the pickup in clean fresh oil or even the old oil in the drain pan connect a drill to the oil pump and spin the oil pump to see if it pumps oil.

If it does not pump oil then you are safe to try and purchase a oil pump.

But since you are just trying to evacuate from a storm I suggest leaving the truck and find another way to leave.
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Old 09-09-2017, 06:56 PM
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Ok, the gauge on the dash shows 0 oil pressure while cranking, this does not mean for sure the engine does not have oil pressure.

You can get a cheap gauge from many parts stores as a loner then get your money back once you return it.

Find out if you have oil pressure while your cranking or not.

Just buying a oil pump may not help you at all.

What I would do to save time and money is get the gauge and oil pan gasket plus new oil and a oil filter confirm no oil pressure while cranking.

Then drain the oil into a pan and remove the oil pan.

Remove the oil pump and pickup tube and submerge the pickup in clean fresh oil or even the old oil in the drain pan connect a drill to the oil pump and spin the oil pump to see if it pumps oil.

If it does not pump oil then you are safe to try and purchase a oil pump.

But since you are just trying to evacuate from a storm I suggest leaving the truck and find another way to leave.
i already have tool test oil pressure i just said 0 psi and i already took oil pan off and clean it out and oil filter inside is clean out and new gaskets and already put new oil and filter on motor and all i need get is oil pump that all i needed everything on motor is band new -_-# anyway do i have take oil pan off get oil pump off? or just pull oil pump off by timing gear?

i dont anything to pull my camper and dont every have other vehicles and this only vehicle i have left is my ranger
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Old 09-15-2017, 05:33 PM
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(。ŏ_ŏ) i took oil pump off and still dont understand how it work anyway i put new one on it started up and run great no problem now that what my issue is that pcm keep truck cut off when oil suck up to tech gauge then kick on running and thanks for informing im on road who every want drifter
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