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Old 12-17-2016, 01:09 PM
MasterJax MasterJax is offline
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Default Bite point on clutch pedal moved significantly after backing up trailer.

Hello guys,

I backed up a trash trailer on a hill into a garage with my 96 ford ranger 2.3l 4cyl 2wd. As I was backing up it felt like my clutch dropped out and I got stuck in gear for a moment. I managed to wiggle the shift lever around to get it unstuck. After stomping the clutch a few times at idle, I managed to get the clutch working again. From there, I backed the trailer into the garage.

I didn't notice an issue until I had to drive again. My clutch bite point is up almost to the 25% mark when it was aprox at the 85% mark,and when I let go of the clutch at higher speeds the truck lurches instead of directly smacking into gear.

It's certainly drivable, but it doesn't feel right

*More background info*
I had the clutch and gear synchros replaced at 231,×××. I am currently at 247,×××.

Any help to diagnose and potentially fix the problem on the cheap would be most appreciated.

Cheers!

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Old 12-17-2016, 01:17 PM
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Default Re: Bite point on clutch pedal moved significantly after backing up trailer.

Is it a hydraulic clutch?

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Old 12-17-2016, 01:53 PM
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Is it a hydraulic clutch?

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Old 12-17-2016, 08:52 PM
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OK?


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Old 12-17-2016, 10:01 PM
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So yes. They all are.
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Old 12-18-2016, 07:44 AM
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Ok thanks for the smart a** attitude! A simple yes would have been fine!! Sorry I'm not some ranger guru that knows everything about them!!!

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I would try to bleed your clutch. If u can bleed it yourself & it helps that's free.. also look on YouTube for bleeding the clutch easily

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Old 12-18-2016, 01:29 PM
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Ok thanks for the smart a** attitude! A simple yes would have been fine!! Sorry I'm not some ranger guru that knows everything about them!!!

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I didn't mean to start a fight or anything. For reference, most manual Rangers use the Mazda manual transmission (M5OD). There was a second one also used on the earlier years of Rangers but by 1995 I am sure they were done away with.

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Old 12-18-2016, 02:32 PM
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Ok sorry for being defensive... I thought there would be a bunch of hydraulic & cable...

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Old 12-19-2016, 01:52 PM
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With all due respect, can you both stop bickering about what kind of clutch my trucks uses. I'd like to get this fixed as soon as possible.
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Old 12-19-2016, 03:19 PM
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With all due respect, can you both stop bickering about what kind of clutch my trucks uses. I'd like to get this fixed as soon as possible.
Sorry man.

Have you tried bleeding the clutch yet as mentioned earlier?

And just to make sure I'm understanding right, it now drives and shifts fine, but the engagement point is at a different spot?
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Old 12-21-2016, 12:07 PM
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And just to make sure I'm understanding right, it now drives and shifts fine, but the engagement point is at a different spot?
Correct! It's also rather smooth when engaging the gear rather than rough like it used to be. I suppose it's not a big deal, but it's at least concerning.

Last night, I drove about 200miles just for the heck of it. I didn't notice anything major, minus the high bite point.

I'll try bleeding the clutch and get back to you.
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Old 12-29-2016, 06:41 PM
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Default Re: Bite point on clutch pedal moved significantly after backing up trailer.

I am confused about where in its pedal travel the clutch starts to engage and pull. If it is low, close to the floor, that's good. If it is high, near the end of its travel, that's bad(either worn clutch disk friction material or a slow/bubbly clutch)
If it engages high, I'd bleed the system.

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Old 12-29-2016, 07:00 PM
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Default Re: Bite point on clutch pedal moved significantly after backing up trailer.

Take it to a dealership... Bleeding these clutches is a B*TCH due to all the high points in the hydraulic line going to the slave cylinder... It took a three dealership mechanics 3 hours or more to bleed mine with a pressurized inlet "gravity bleeding" my system to get a positive outcome.

I tried it myself by removing the master and tapping it with a screw driver and pumping the piston.... Nothing worked.
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Old 01-10-2017, 12:16 AM
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I am confused about where in its pedal travel the clutch starts to engage and pull. If it is low, close to the floor, that's good. If it is high, near the end of its travel, that's bad(either worn clutch disk friction material or a slow/bubbly clutch)
If it engages high, I'd bleed the system.

tom
New Slave Cylinder, clutch fork, and clutch disk. Less than 20k on them all and under 6 months old.

Issue started happening 1 month ago when I backed a lightweight unloaded trailer up a slight hill and into my garage. I had to switch between 1st and reverse a few times to get traction. I also road the clutch a bit going up the hill so I would have more control in case I jackknifed.

After re-adjusting using 1st gear, I shifted into reverse. As I did that, I got close to stalling so I pushed in the clutch just in time and shifted into neutral. When the engine came back from almost stalling, I shifted into 1st, which cased the tranny to get stuck in gear. So I stomped the clutch a few times and shifted into higher gears like 3rd and 5th and managed to get the tranny unstuck. From there, I shifted back into reverse and was able to back the trailer into the garage the rest of the way. It wasn't until the next time that I was behind the wheel that I noticed the problem.

The problem is that the clutch disengages higher than it used to. The clutch used to disengage about a quarter of the way going up from the floor. Now it disengages less than 3 quarters of the way up on the pedal, which provides a draggy, sloppy experience.

Also to note: clutch is still hard as a rock. However, the engagement point is higher than it was after the transmission rebuild. My Dad came to visit a week ago, and I let him drive my truck. He gave me an ear-full about how difficult it was for him to push the clutch pedal down.

I haven't bled the clutch yet because I'm still curious as to what you all have to say.

Cheers!

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