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Old 02-07-2010, 12:40 PM
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dont newer rangers come with CAI?
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Old 02-07-2010, 12:42 PM
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HI!... Well I've seen on the F-150's that the A/F's need to be adjusted after the installation of a CAI due to it running leaner.
Then they weren't designed right. A correctly designed intake won't change the way the maf reads. You should not have to lie to the computer in order to lean it out to make power.

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Especially on the new F-150's due to them having a "scubber" inside the intake trac. A after market CAI will cause it to run one full point leaner. Seen this on many other vehicles also. Once the A/F's are correct back to where they were before the CAI, we always see a H.P/TQ increase. Even if it's a minimal increase we always see a increase, never a loss.
Like I've said in numerous threads, I typically see increased intake temperatures and less timing.

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I notice by your dyno graph that the CAI did increase peak H.P and extended the power band. I bet a tune to correct A/F's would match if not better the stock #'s.
It's not my graph. It's someone elses. There is alot of information left out there.
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Old 02-07-2010, 12:43 PM
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dont newer rangers come with CAI?
All rangers come with CAI, the stock box is a CAI.
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Old 02-07-2010, 12:47 PM
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don't newer rangers come with CAI?
HI!... Sorta. The stock air box on my 07 has a very small snorkel on the front of the airbox. It's very small, and kinds aims downward and is directly behind a plastic cosmetic filler piece. Not much air flow gets to it. Plus IMO the factory air box is very restrictive and causes a ton of air turbulence. The factory calls the stock airbox on the F-150's a CAI but it's not even close. For years now we have seen time and time again, gains in H.P when switching to a CAI on the F-150's.
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Old 02-07-2010, 12:54 PM
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This guy freed up 100hp and gain 30mpg with his CAI
[YT]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qx7tRl5dAiE[/YT]
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Old 02-07-2010, 01:03 PM
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HI!... Well we had a diesel dyno day a few years ago. Mostly Ford and Dodge trucks. One of the Dodge guys removed his airbox and picked up 45RWH.P and over 140FT/LBS of TQ. This was on a 450RWH.P Cummings. Needless to say the factory airbox was never designed to flow enough air to support 450RWH.P but it shows how much of a gain there is with allowing enough air into the engine.
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DERALE 16" ELECTRIC FAN, ASP CRANK PULLEY, CUSTOM CAI, 4.10 gears, TP tune. 1/4 = 14.42E.T at 93.18MPH 2.0 60FT. ALL N/A. 13.83E.T at 96.35MPH 1.91 60FT. on 40H.P dry shot.
"1999" F-150 SPORT.
BUILT 5.4, (8.4:1 compression) ALL N/A 354RWH.P/392RWTQ 1.8 60FT. 13.60E.T (on 7 cylinders)
"1983" PRO STREET RANGER.
408 STROKER, (700H.P) ALL N/A tubbed, caged.

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Old 02-07-2010, 01:10 PM
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Then they weren't designed right. A correctly designed intake won't change the way the maf reads. You should not have to lie to the computer in order to lean it out to make power.
O.k.. lol!

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Like I've said in numerous threads, I typically see increased intake temperatures and less timing.
Ya you'll see increased air temps when the vehicle is sitting in a building on the dyno. Those little fans most dyno operators use just don't cut it to simulate REAL air flow characteristics of driving on the street in the real world. Try driving it around on the street or on the highway. We did all the testing and under hood temps next to the CAI, were almost the same as the outside ambient temperature.
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"2007" RANGER SPORT.
DERALE 16" ELECTRIC FAN, ASP CRANK PULLEY, CUSTOM CAI, 4.10 gears, TP tune. 1/4 = 14.42E.T at 93.18MPH 2.0 60FT. ALL N/A. 13.83E.T at 96.35MPH 1.91 60FT. on 40H.P dry shot.
"1999" F-150 SPORT.
BUILT 5.4, (8.4:1 compression) ALL N/A 354RWH.P/392RWTQ 1.8 60FT. 13.60E.T (on 7 cylinders)
"1983" PRO STREET RANGER.
408 STROKER, (700H.P) ALL N/A tubbed, caged.

JUST SAY NO TO CLUTCH FANS!
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Old 02-07-2010, 01:17 PM
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HI!... What it all comes down to is I have seen performance gains EVERYTIME when building a CAI, or installing a electric fan kit, or under driven pulleys. We have proved this on the dyno and in documented 1/4 mile times. I still see a ton of people using Flowmaster mufflers. I will never run one of these due to I have seen many different vehicles on the dyno lose H.P/TQ with them. Just as a example my buddy has a 2000 Camaro with a built LS1. He lost 47 RWH.P after he installed the Flowmaster cat back on his car. This is a 420RWH.P car. He then installed a Magnaflow set-up and gained all that H.P back and picked up some. So it's up to the owner of the vehicle what mods they want to perform. I know what works on the vehicles I work on, and I will continue to do so.
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"2007" RANGER SPORT.
DERALE 16" ELECTRIC FAN, ASP CRANK PULLEY, CUSTOM CAI, 4.10 gears, TP tune. 1/4 = 14.42E.T at 93.18MPH 2.0 60FT. ALL N/A. 13.83E.T at 96.35MPH 1.91 60FT. on 40H.P dry shot.
"1999" F-150 SPORT.
BUILT 5.4, (8.4:1 compression) ALL N/A 354RWH.P/392RWTQ 1.8 60FT. 13.60E.T (on 7 cylinders)
"1983" PRO STREET RANGER.
408 STROKER, (700H.P) ALL N/A tubbed, caged.

JUST SAY NO TO CLUTCH FANS!
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Old 02-07-2010, 02:33 PM
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Ya you'll see increased air temps when the vehicle is sitting in a building on the dyno. Those little fans most dyno operators use just don't cut it to simulate REAL air flow characteristics of driving on the street in the real world. Try driving it around on the street or on the highway. We did all the testing and under hood temps next to the CAI, were almost the same as the outside ambient temperature.
I'm talking about logging during drives, not in an enclosed room.
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Old 02-07-2010, 04:38 PM
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HI!... Well I also do real time data logging on the street. I prefer that over tuning on the dyno, due to the dyno doesn't give you tire and wind resistance compared to driving on the street. You get the real load being exerted on the vehicle. I guess we can agree to disagree then. I have no problems with properly built CAI's. IMO they work. Under hood temps in our testing has proven for us that they do not get much hotter than the ambient temps outside the vehicle. Our testing actually showed the factory air box gets heat soaked.

I've been building and worked on Drag vehicles and street/strip cars my whole life. I've never had one fail due to knocking or lean conditions. I'm very particular in getting my A/F's correct. I run wide bands in all my vehicles including my 07 Ranger which is my daily driver.
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"2007" RANGER SPORT.
DERALE 16" ELECTRIC FAN, ASP CRANK PULLEY, CUSTOM CAI, 4.10 gears, TP tune. 1/4 = 14.42E.T at 93.18MPH 2.0 60FT. ALL N/A. 13.83E.T at 96.35MPH 1.91 60FT. on 40H.P dry shot.
"1999" F-150 SPORT.
BUILT 5.4, (8.4:1 compression) ALL N/A 354RWH.P/392RWTQ 1.8 60FT. 13.60E.T (on 7 cylinders)
"1983" PRO STREET RANGER.
408 STROKER, (700H.P) ALL N/A tubbed, caged.

JUST SAY NO TO CLUTCH FANS!
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Old 02-07-2010, 04:59 PM
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I have to agree with Neal. Dyno indoors is not a acurate test. Thats why I diisagree with the K&N test they showed on rps.

Now if you took a dyno and also had a fan in front of the truck blowing air across it I think it would be as close to actual driving as u could get indoors

Im not talking about a box fan Im talking about a large fan
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Old 02-07-2010, 05:00 PM
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You get the real load being exerted on the vehicle.
I prefer the dyno because I can keep the engine loaded harder longer and control it more. Its for safety in my tunes. I've not blown someones engine up yet this way.

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I've been building and worked on Drag vehicles and street/strip cars my whole life. I've never had one fail due to knocking or lean conditions. I'm very particular in getting my A/F's correct. I run wide bands in all my vehicles including my 07 Ranger which is my daily driver.
I just build and tune turbo cars. Most of the cars I work on are for track use.
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