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Old 05-09-2011, 10:54 PM
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Default Stroker Kit wouldn't help?

Of course I just got this truck so bear with me here . . .

The wind came up today coming home and I swear despite having the 4.0 engine I lost 5mph at the same throttle position because of some wind. Now it was probably 20mph wind but 5mph? This thing has NO torque. No wonder my H/W mileage isn't hardly any better than my town mileage here in Kansas. Can't imagine a stroker kit wouldn't actually improve mpg on this engine. Don't even know if there is one, just sayin' . . .

My 3.0L TDI Diesel 5500lb. Touareg wouldn't have even felt that wind today. Now, if you're running into a headwind like that on an entire trip it will cost you about 1mpg, 26-27mpg instead of 27-28mpg @ 68-73mph, 30mph wind will cost you 2mpg, but you wouldn't have even felt it through the pedal. Difference between 406 lb.ft. @ 2000rpm vs. 238lb.ft. @ 3000rpm probably <200lb.ft. @ 2000rpm.

Anyone stroke one of these?

Rhetorical post I guess . . .
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Old 05-10-2011, 05:18 AM
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Default Re: Stroker Kit wouldn't help?

You do realize you bought a Ranger right? These trucks were designed in 1982 with minor revisions over the years. It isn't a Ferrari, it doesn't have a Cummins in it, 4x4's will not break 22MPG(ever), the 4.0L SOHC produces it's power above 3000 RPM and has a reasonably flat torque-curve for pulling loads, making it better suited in front of a manual than automatic. The Ranger is, to be quite blunt a simple inexpensive workhorse. Period. If you must turn this truck into something it isn't, swap in a V-8 or 4BT spend $5-10K and be done with or trade the truck for what you actaully want and quit whining.
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Old 05-10-2011, 01:25 PM
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Default Re: Stroker Kit wouldn't help?

This link;
http://www.analyticcycling.com/ForcesPower_Page.html
is from a cycling forum but the same physics apply.
Driving 68 - 73 MPH into a 30 MPH headwind is equal to driving 98 - 103 MPH.
Once you get past 25 to 35 MPH each doubling of your speed requires an exponential increase in power.
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Old 05-10-2011, 02:42 PM
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Default Re: Stroker Kit wouldn't help?

it seems to me that the sohc motor does not have the torque that the ohv 4.0 has.
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Old 05-10-2011, 03:15 PM
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where at in kansas are you??? around the topeka or wamego area?
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Old 05-10-2011, 03:44 PM
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your always comparing your "Touareg" to the ranger, and always putting the ranger down. Why did you Buy a Ranger? it seems you must be very wealthy, or very much in debt, to own a 2010, VW, a 2008 Ranger, a 2005 Volvo, which means in 6 years, you spent over $80,000 in vehicles.
so, since, your so wealthy, why be upset with your ranger? chances are you'll just buy another vehicle in 2012.
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Old 05-10-2011, 04:19 PM
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Default Re: Stroker Kit wouldn't help?

I love the Ranger's power.....pulls my boat just fine and everything
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Old 05-10-2011, 05:24 PM
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Default Re: Stroker Kit wouldn't help?

welcome to the world of driving a truck. they have the aerodynamics of a house and catch the wind very easily, its not so much a lack of HP but its wind drag on a large vehicle profile. your Touareg was a much more aerodynamic vehicle and thats why it wasnt affected as bad. hell, my 300+ HP 5800 pound F-150 will feel a 20 MPH headwind. the SOHC has plenty of power to move a ranger sized truck around
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Old 05-10-2011, 05:32 PM
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Default Re: Stroker Kit wouldn't help?

I don't understand why you haven't traded in, sold, or torched this truck of yours yet. ALl you've done is complain about it.
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Old 05-10-2011, 05:42 PM
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Default Re: Stroker Kit wouldn't help?

diesel engines by design make more torque than gasoline engines. of course your touareg will make more torque lower on the rpm scale. as before said, a ranger is a tall and relatively light vehicle, and will feel the wind.
i dont know what they do in kansas but when the wind picks up here, the ca highway patrol pulls 18 wheelers off the roads. I am pretty sure they make a bit more power than your touareg, but are still susceptible to the wind because of their high profile.
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Old 05-10-2011, 06:58 PM
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This is why Detroit has gone to hell. Yuppies wanting purpose built vehicles to ride like a caddy, power of a ferrari, and and have the capacity to haul all their little snot nosed offspring in.
It's a damned truck! You my good man need that gay thing Honda put out. That's a yuppie pickup.

I have a 05 Taurus - family daily driver, Power? Enough.
gas milage sucks, but we like it, no complaints.
94 town car 82,xxxx actual miles- it's our road trip car, power and torque to shame most factory sports cars. seats 6 in comfort on air ride, while stowing at least 15 dead bodies in the trunk if you cut them up right, fuel milage is better than the Taurus, but still dong care because we like it!
04 Ranger xlt 4dr 3.0 my drive to work truck, haul my junk truck, and and all around transportation. Whats the power and fuel milage?? I don't know and don't care, I like the truck for what it is.
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Old 05-10-2011, 07:41 PM
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Default Re: Stroker Kit wouldn't help?

TIME OUT!

I was attempting to find out if anyone has tried or heard of a stroker kit for this engine, what the results were, or hopefully start an intelligent discussion on it out of curiosity. A stroker kit should yield more low end torque which should make the engine perform better at lower rpm cruising speeds. Why? Because a 20mph head wind caused my truck to slow down 5mph and 16.5mpg on the H/W is horrible.

And I am just whining?

FWIW, The Volvo is for sale [may have it sold], the Touareg is paid for, not independently wealthy but have done well, and needed a "small and cheap" utility truck again. Small because of the available garage space and its just more utilitarian nature. Cheap takes on 2 forms, cost of vehicle and cost of ownership.

I managed to get a 2008 Ranger 4x4 XLT loaded with 17K miles for $15340 + $500 to get it here from Chicago that literally doesn't have a scratch on it when a similar 2008 truck with more miles closer to home was priced at $21990. $15K trucks here were 100K mile Tacomas or Rangers, Frontiers, and Canyons/Colorados with 70K miles. So, cost of vehicle? Done!

Though there is more to cost of ownership than just mpg, the truck is rated 15/19 and I've got a 2-3mpg spec'd economy tune on it and I get 16.5mpg no matter what I do? That is horrible, period. Cost of ownership, not done! I've got more things to try here, still got a vibration/growl up front to find which may well be part of the problem, and I am pretty confident that I am going to get this mileage up a bit but you can bet that if I can't get the performance of this truck better no matter what I do, it is going to get sold. In a heartbeat.

My Canyon I sold a couple of years ago because I thought its looks would grow on me and it just never did while a good friend of mine that I sold it to fell in love with it got 18 around town and 23 on the h/w. And, though it didn't on paper, that 3.7 5 banger had more power than this 4.0 Ford does. Yet, I have nothing but fond memories of my 1994 Ranger 4x4, with an earlier - supposedly less powerful version of this same engine which is why I didn't hesitate to go back to a Ranger despite its long in the tooth design. And I know I got better than 20mpg on the H/W and 16 around town with the 94 model despite its 15/19 rating so I figured newer engine with an extra tranny gear and the conservative way I drive + an SCT economy tune? I should be able to match that Canyon or at least get close.

The only reason I provide the Touareg comparison is just to provide an optimal alternative of what low end torque can do for a very heavy vehicle performance and mpg but again I am just whining?

It's pretty obvious you just cannot have intelligent conversations on this site about how to improve the economy and performance of this vehicle. You criticize a Ranger here or try to suggest or start dialogues on potential improvements, you're just going to get flamed.

Forum flamers don't seem to realize that they are the ones doing the whining. I just asked about a stroker kit for a Ranger 4.0 and why?

Sorry I brought it up . . .
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Old 05-10-2011, 07:52 PM
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It's pretty obvious you just cannot have intelligent conversations on this site about how to improve the economy and performance of this vehicle. You criticize a Ranger here or try to suggest or start dialogues on potential improvements, you're just going to get flamed.
We have lots of intelligent discussions about performance and economy. Just because you don't like the facts surrounding the situation or the answers to your questions, doesn't make the discussion ignorant. Most of your threads have been complaining about things that perfectly normal to the PICKUP TRUCK that you bought. And when people try to explain reality to you, you deny it and substitute it with your own version.
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Old 05-10-2011, 08:02 PM
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Default Re: Stroker Kit wouldn't help?

we don't generally criticize them because we bought rangers for what they are, and understand there are compromises to the utility of a truck. your other vehicles are not compact pickups, and you comparing them to each other is not the best way to look at the situation.

there must be something up with I don't know what, as I get 18 combined city/highway mpg out of my 4.0/auto/4.10s, and we have steep grades on just about all of our roads and highways around here.
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Old 05-10-2011, 09:49 PM
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Default Re: Stroker Kit wouldn't help?

once again.....

where at in kansas are you!?!?!?
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