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Old 05-10-2011, 10:03 PM
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I think that by design the inline motors create a better toruqe ratio I guess it could be called. That caynon prolly did have more torque by design. I know that the 300-6 we had in a 78 ford had all the torque in the world, put the ol mans 92 f-150 on the the same trailer that we pulled with the 78 and it struggled with the 302. Our jeep cherokee with the in-line six seemed to have alot of grunt also. As for the stroker kit, yes it will help. Any time you increase the bore/stroke your increasing displacement, it should have more power.
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Old 05-10-2011, 10:17 PM
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gear it differently?
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Old 05-11-2011, 01:27 AM
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Most of your threads have been complaining about things that perfectly normal to the PICKUP TRUCK that you bought. And when people try to explain reality to you, you deny it and substitute it with your own version.
Accepting that a Ford Ranger getting 16.5mpg is "perfectly normal or reality" no matter what I am doing with it is just dumb, I'm sorry.

My logic still stands.

The idea of taking a 15/20 spec'd truck, install an SCT tune that is supposed to generate 2-3 mpg by itself gets this truck into the range I was expecting. Even if it's only really 1-2mpg it gets you close. Problem is I don't have a 15/20 truck. I am looking for answers.

Of course, fixing what might be wrong, pulling hard, or out of balance up front, hence my growl/vibration thread should also logically improve performance and mpg. Thanks to the couple of people that tried to help on that thread.

Having a discussion about how stroking an engine like this whereby the same amount of force applied to the piston would generate more torque lower in the power curve thus helping the truck to cruise more efficiently down the H/W and might well improve mpg in the process is perfectly logical too. I was curious if anyone had done it?

Trying to make what is otherwise a truck I like get respectable gas mileage and performance? That's also perfectly logical and to suggest that "it just ain't possible" is quite frankly just ignorant.

Hell, the wrong freakin' shoes can cost you 2mpg hence my tire thread.

These discussions are worth while for those that care about maximizing the performance and mpg of their vehicles.

Yet, for even bringing up the idea of trying to improve the performance and mpg of a truck that now gets 16.5mpg whether I am driving it downtown or down the H/W I am now taking it up the a$$. I am not the one being irresponsible or impractical here.

And the whole Yuppie nonsense? This happens to be a Kansas Farm Boy here that doesn't particularly appreciate the comment. I bought a Volvo 2.5T for my wife not because I am a Yuppie but because it got 18/24 when all other SUVs we drove were getting 14/19 and I now own a Touareg TDI because it gets 20/27 even 30 under the right conditions in an otherwise incredibly capable SUV that will literally climb mountains where you only run onto Jeeps, FJs, and Hummers. Why? Because I don't believe in wasting fuel, throwing money away, and I want and expect vehicles to perform to their maximum? And I like climbing mountains too. Yeah, obviously just an idiot yuppie.

The power/weight of the 4.0 Ranger is "capable" of getting 16-17/22-23. I am going to try to make that happen. May not go to the expense of stroking it but I am still going to try. If you want to keep on getting 15 just because? Go right ahead. If my Ranger just keeps gettin' 16.5 no matter what I try or where I am driving just because? It's gone.

Given a proper flash tune on a properly functioning engine, a drivetrain that's not erroneously dragging [growls/vibrations], proper maintenance and lubricants, the lowest rolling resistant shoes that will still perform on a 4x4, and most importantly the right driving style I frankly think I will eventually get there though perhaps not through any help from this forum. I'll just substitute my own version . . .
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Old 05-11-2011, 01:53 AM
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Was not flaming. You were whining to a point.
Ok. On to the intelligent discussion. Are the tire of stock size? If not (can not tell by you avatar pic), then you are traveling further than what the odometer says.
Hence the perceived crappy fuel milage. Also with larger than stock tires, you have changed the final gear ratio making the engine work harder than with a stock size.
Also a thought, is your torque converter locking up? If not, your spinning the engine at higher rpm's all the time lowering said fuel milage.
Next up, as was mentioned before, aerodynamics.
Next stiff wind, point the truck into the wind. Put it in gear, let off the brake. Does it go forth? Maybe not. You have to give it some more accelerator. Now, do a 180 and do the same thing. The truck will go forth with no throttle.
In conclusion, at given throttle position at 10 mph headwind to maintain speed will need more throttle to maintain said speed at 20mph headwind.
Simply put, watch Jim Cantory during hurricane season, the harder the wind blows the more he has to lean into it.

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Did I make an assumption? Yes I did. I took the stated fact of a Volvo, Tourag, and an 08 pickup along with the background in your avatar pic as to the houses being les than 20 feet apart. Sorry, it screamed yuppieism. To this I do apologize.
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Old 05-11-2011, 04:32 AM
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You're lengthy rant just exemplifies everything we've already said. People DID answer your questions in all your whining threads. You just didn't like those answers so you keep whining. Which is why I suggest you sell or trade in the truck. Nothing will ever make you happy with a vehicle that is clearly not satisfactory in your reality.
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Old 05-12-2011, 03:53 AM
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They aren't answers FireRanger. All you are telling me is the fuel mileage sux, get used to it followed by a bunch of freakin' insults which I tend to not take kindly to. Why don't you just trade it, sell it, or torch it ring any bells? I've been driving pickups my entire life. Got better mileage on my 88 S10 V6, my 94 Ranger 4.0, my 99 Sierra V8, my 05 Canyon 5 banger. I did not get better mileage on my 78 Chevy high mileage 350 bolt bucket. It got like 10 and 14.

There are two problems at work here.

1) You've just accepted crappy mileage on a Ranger 4.0 as some written reality.
2) I have not. If I was getting 15/20 to begin with, I believe it's possible with the right setup, ECU flash, etc. to get the 16-17/22-23 I am targeting. I've already managed 16.5 in town with the ECU flash so that part is accomplished. I just can't get the 20 on the H/W to begin with, not even close. Throw in some wind and I may well do worse than in town. Something is wrong. Been trying to figure out what that is?

So, I've started threads about

SCT tuning products?
mpg in general to see if perhaps 20 is just BS to begin with?
a growl/almost vibration I have that's likely part of the problem?
tires?
CAIs?
has anyone stroked this engine just out of curiosity?

And I am just whining . . .

FWIW, westtntrucker, we have a farm but moved into town so I am 2.8 miles from work. Trust me, I am seriously out of my element here but despite the housing crash most places, I have $80K in a house I built myself plus about $30K of improvements I've done mostly myself over the last 20 years that's now appraising at $210K and going 50 miles round trip to the farm occasionally instead of driving 50 miles round trip to work every single day. We've saved a ton of cash over the last 20 years on gas consequently and have a pretty nice real estate investment in a high resale area in the process.

Did I just whine again, or was that a rant?

When I get it figured out and start getting the mileage I should be, I'll just let ya know . . .
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Old 05-12-2011, 04:02 AM
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When I get it figured out and start getting the mileage I should be, I'll just let ya know . . .
You do that. We won't be holding our breath for it, but please do let us know when you find the miracle that makes your heavy boxy truck act like a car despite what everyone here has told you.

Also, suggesting you trade it in or otherwise surplus the vehicle is not an insult nor is anything else I said. I was suggesting a course of action based on your continued displeasure and unrealistic expectations (though torching it for insurance was indeed sarcasm). And as to your last question, yes that is a rant and a whine all together in one.
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Old 05-12-2011, 04:10 AM
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Garth if you spend any time reading through the countless MPG threads here you will see that the mileage you are experiencing is the average. whether or not you accept that as fact that is up to you but these trucks dont get great mileage. ive been driving rangers for 12 years and none of my rangers (86 2.9 V6, 93 4.0 5 speed, 96 4.0 auto, 2001 4.0 SOHC auto) have averaged more than 16-17 MPG. have i gotten better on occasion? yes but ive also gotten much worse at times too. there are no magical cures for poor mileage that you can bolt on and gain 5 MPG's especially a stroker kit.
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Old 05-12-2011, 04:13 AM
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if you want a stroke kit your gonna have to talk to an engine builder. they might be able to come up with another crankshaft or offset rod bearings. but of course a longer stroke will cause the engine to naturally suck more gas. in fact almost anything that you do to improve performance will hurt the gas mileage.

one thing that you might try is a k&n air filter. a lot of people on this forum will argue with me but i did notice a little bit of power gain and about 1 mpg increase. the filter that i bought was from advance auto and fits directly into the stock air box.
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Old 05-12-2011, 05:21 AM
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Dan, ive never noticed any real difference in with my k&n


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First, if the trucks are rated at 15/20, they arent doing to always get 15/20, depending on road conditions and all that. And no, the fuel mileage can be great on these trucks, i get 21/22 on the highway, with bigger tires and the underpowered 3.0, and the 3.0 and the 4.0 get basically the same mileage

And sometimes the tune can hurt you, this economy tune is possibly limiting you peak power and forcing you to use more gas to get up to speed than normally, hell try taking off the tune and drive a few days, if you mileage already sucks what can it hurt?
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Old 05-12-2011, 07:36 AM
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my window sticker of my 11 says 14/18....

haha i wish i was getting 16.5 im getting 12.5

get a 4 banger...
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EPA ratings are generated by COMPUTERS. They "simulate" it driving in the real world. Which is why on TV commercials they always have a disclaimer in the fine print saying actual milage may vary. Someone up in the mountains will get poor MPG due to all the hills and thinner air. Meanwhile someone in the desert where it is flat and air is denser they will see better MPG. Climate is a huge issue on MPG alot of people don't realize.
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my window sticker of my 11 says 14/18....

haha i wish i was getting 16.5 im getting 12.5

get a 4 banger...
best suggestion i've heard, i have one, and i love getting 28mpg

but seriously, 14/18 that is perfect driving coonditions, and we all know its never perfect out there
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what is your gear ratio btw?
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14/18 that is perfect driving conditions, and we all know its never perfect out there
I wish I had said that...you took what i said and shrunk it down...thanks haha
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