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Old 03-17-2013, 01:30 PM
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Old 03-17-2013, 05:59 PM
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You can check your TPS at idle with the key on. Get a multimeter. It should be around .9-1v closed. Crack it open and gradually increase it. You should see a gradual increase in voltage up to a max between 4-4.8v. If it's out of that range at any point, or there's a jump in the values, then it's bad. The TPS doesn't always trigger a light either, so there might not be a stored code for it. And I did have some issues with my VSS on the rear pumpkin, but it didn't cause any shifting issues for me. It also didn't trigger a CEL. Good things to do on top of your shift kit.
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Old 03-18-2013, 07:23 AM
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the fluid needs changing pretty bad so what ill probably do is after i change the valve body gasket and the fluid ill wait a few more days and then change it again since just draining and filling doesn't really do it all the first time. do you think fluid could be the problem?
After draining the pan you want to then disconnect the tranny fluid return line @radiator and using the trucks own pump, pump the remaining fluid out of the TC, etc. If that was my truck I might consider doing this before I dropped the pan. Then if it did not fix it you can drop the pan, do the VB gasket and a 2nd flush. Only takes about 45 minutes to do the pumpout.

Also if that was my truck I would do more DXing by checking for codes etc. The VSS is only $15 and takes 10 minutes.

A problem like yours should at some point throw a pending code.

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Old 03-18-2013, 06:28 PM
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hmm if it is throwing a code where should i go to get it checked? Would a parts place be able to do transmission codes? i don't know hardly anything about trannys. in fact id say its my weakest point about vehicles, so im not quite sure what some of those things are
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Old 03-19-2013, 03:58 AM
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hmm if it is throwing a code where should i go to get it checked? Would a parts place be able to do transmission codes? i don't know hardly anything about trannys. in fact id say its my weakest point about vehicles, so im not quite sure what some of those things are
The way I see it these are your choices

1)bring it to a mechanic

2) throw parts at it as you identify them(this usually does not work. The noob usually quickly throws in the towel and brings it to a mechanic.) That being said I would change the VSS. It is cheap, easy to change as well as being a common issue.

3) start doing maintenance on the truck. Google and study all the terms. Buy a Haynes manual and read that. Buy whatever code reader you can afford and check for whatever pending codes you can. IMHO if you are not willing to spend $25 for a code reader you are not serious enough to be working on your truck. I do not believe your tranny OD light has ever come on. I would think that the OD light would flash if you had a tranny issue. If the OD light comes on Aamco will read it for free.

Working on these trucks for the most part is pretty easy but you need to put the time in to learn the parts. The Transmission is the most complicated part of the truck

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Old 03-19-2013, 04:01 AM
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The way I see it these are your choices

1)bring it to a mechanic

2) throw parts at it as you identify them(this usually does not work. The noob usually quickly throws in the towel and brings it to a mechanic.)

3) start doing maibtence on the truck. Google abd study all the terms. Buy a Haynes manual and read that. Buy whatever code reader you can afford and check for whatever pending codes you can. I do not believe your granny OD light gas ever come on. I would think that the OD light would flash if you had a granny issue. If the OD light comes on Aamco will read it for free.

Working on these trucks is pretty easy but you need to put the time in to learn the parts.

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wait so the tranny only throws codes when the od light is flashing?? mine has never flashed but that doesn't mean it couldn't be the valve body gasket does it?
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Old 03-19-2013, 04:15 AM
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My symptoms were the truck didn't want to upshift until I let off the gas because it didn't have enough pressure to kick to the next gear. Might be your problem. Get it scanned for transmission codes, you'll probably see a code for low pressure and solenoid B low pressure. Those were what tripped on mine when my gasket blew.






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wait so the tranny only throws codes when the od light is flashing?? mine has never flashed but that doesn't mean it couldn't be the valve body gasket does it?
Ask Rangerlocal about his codes. My guess is his OD light was flashing. I am not a tranny expert but I don't think these trannys throw pending codes. Just regular codes. The CAN obd will throw pending codes I.e. TPS, VSS

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Also I am not telling you not to change the VB gasket. They are a common issue and if you have a good amount of miles on it it could be looked at as maintenance. All I am trying to suggest is that you do the regular maintenance and diagnosis as best as possible.

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Old 03-19-2013, 04:39 AM
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My symptoms were the truck didn't want to upshift until I let off the gas because it didn't have enough pressure to kick to the next gear. Might be your problem. Get it scanned for transmission codes, you'll probably see a code for low pressure and solenoid B low pressure. Those were what tripped on mine when my gasket blew.
My understanding of these tranny's is that when the pressure gets to low the tranny goes into limp mode and increases the pressure and the OD light should be flashing. Let's see what rangerlocal said happened to his truck.

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Old 03-19-2013, 12:25 PM
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Ok, sorry for the delay fellas.

For reference, this is the link to the thread I made when I was a Ranger newbie. http://www.fordrangerforum.com/drive...g-problem.html

My O/D light did flash after shifting into overdrive, and continued to flash until I shut off the truck. But it did not do this all the time, only when I got a big slip in the shift from the pressure being so low. You are correct in believing that this is limp mode, in which pressure is jacked up to the max to prevent any more damage when shifting.

Modelageek is right, these trannies don't throw pending codes, only stored codes. Most code readers except really high end ones will not pull transmission codes IIRC. I had to get my friend at a local dealership to pull them for me, or you can go to Aamoco as modelageek said. My codes were P0732 (gear 2 incorrect ratio) and P1756 (No. 2 Shift solenoid performance). My gasket was blown out at the number 2 solenoid, so that makes sense.

I had to let go of the gas for my truck to shift, it just didn't have the pressure to engage the solenoids unless I unloaded the engine. Right after that I pulled the valve body and saw the blown gasket, so after repairing that all my symptoms were fixed except my ABS engaging at low speed, which was the VSS. But I never took the truck out on the freeway until I had that straightened out because it frightened me, so I can't say how it shifted before that was replaced. For $12, it's a no-brainer to do first. Hope this helps a bit, and keep the questions coming. Hopefully we can get to the bottom of this through the codes and symptoms you have.
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Old 03-20-2013, 02:20 PM
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Ok, sorry for the delay fellas.

For reference, this is the link to the thread I made when I was a Ranger newbie. http://www.fordrangerforum.com/drive...g-problem.html

My O/D light did flash after shifting into overdrive, and continued to flash until I shut off the truck. But it did not do this all the time, only when I got a big slip in the shift from the pressure being so low. You are correct in believing that this is limp mode, in which pressure is jacked up to the max to prevent any more damage when shifting.

Modelageek is right, these trannies don't throw pending codes, only stored codes. Most code readers except really high end ones will not pull transmission codes IIRC. I had to get my friend at a local dealership to pull them for me, or you can go to Aamoco as modelageek said. My codes were P0732 (gear 2 incorrect ratio) and P1756 (No. 2 Shift solenoid performance). My gasket was blown out at the number 2 solenoid, so that makes sense.

I had to let go of the gas for my truck to shift, it just didn't have the pressure to engage the solenoids unless I unloaded the engine. Right after that I pulled the valve body and saw the blown gasket, so after repairing that all my symptoms were fixed except my ABS engaging at low speed, which was the VSS. But I never took the truck out on the freeway until I had that straightened out because it frightened me, so I can't say how it shifted before that was replaced. For $12, it's a no-brainer to do first. Hope this helps a bit, and keep the questions coming. Hopefully we can get to the bottom of this through the codes and symptoms you have.
if your o/d light isn't flashing does that mean it hasn't thrown a code then?
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if your o/d light isn't flashing does that mean it hasn't thrown a code then?
Not necessarily. Once you turn off your truck, the light will go out and the transmission will resume normal operating parameters. It will not go into limp mode or flash the light until it experiences the fault again. That doesn't mean it hasn't thrown a code in the past.
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Old 03-21-2013, 02:03 PM
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Not necessarily. Once you turn off your truck, the light will go out and the transmission will resume normal operating parameters. It will not go into limp mode or flash the light until it experiences the fault again. That doesn't mean it hasn't thrown a code in the past.
hmm. i have never once in the time that my ranger has had this problem seen the od light flash. im not quite sure why it wouldn't if it is having a problem like mine though. kind of strange don't you think? but the only time ive seen it off is when i turn o/d off when im towing or hauling something heavy
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Well, if you haven't seen the light flash or the transmission change behaviors drastically, then it might not have a fault. Looking back on your initial post, you say that when driving down the highway the RPM's will drop to 2000. May I ask at what speed this is? That may very well be normal torque converter lockup.

Also, you say that they don't rise again unless you take your foot off the gas, or press it down a good amount. That sounds like a normal torque converter coming out of lockup to me, although it could be at excessive throttle positions making it weird. (Thinking TPS?)

So at this point here's my suggestions to you. It sounds like it could be a culmination of your VSS in the back, and your throttle position sensor on the throttle body. I'm with modelageek here; you could also have a bad torque converter lockup solenoid. It sounds like it's confused during lockup and coming out of lockup. But I still think you're good to change the gaskets and install the shift kit. You won't regret that, and you'll get to check your solenoids while you're in there.
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Buy a code reader and check randomly for a pending code.

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Well, if you haven't seen the light flash or the transmission change behaviors drastically, then it might not have a fault. Looking back on your initial post, you say that when driving down the highway the RPM's will drop to 2000. May I ask at what speed this is? That may very well be normal torque converter lockup.

Also, you say that they don't rise again unless you take your foot off the gas, or press it down a good amount. That sounds like a normal torque converter coming out of lockup to me, although it could be at excessive throttle positions making it weird. (Thinking TPS?)

So at this point here's my suggestions to you. It sounds like it could be a culmination of your VSS in the back, and your throttle position sensor on the throttle body. I'm with modelageek here; you could also have a bad torque converter lockup solenoid. It sounds like it's confused during lockup and coming out of lockup. But I still think you're good to change the gaskets and install the shift kit. You won't regret that, and you'll get to check your solenoids while you're in there.
Well im not sure exactly what the problem is, but the truck only does this when its about to shift to a different gear. it only does this at hight speeds, 45 plus and it never does it between 1-2, only 2-3 and maybe 3-4, but its kind of hard to tell.

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id love to have one but money is really tight right now, and on top of all this i need to have some other work done to it. if this doesn't work i guess ill probably just drive it until summer and save up most of my money and as much as i hate to say this rebuild but yeah, one of my friends told me about a guy that lives sorta close to here that has a shop and does rebuilds for 1300 dollars if you take the tranny out yourself and that doesn't come with a warranty, or if you bring the whole truck in and let him take it out he will charge 1500 with a 2 year warranty (if it comes to that that is the route i will go). and all those prices include labor
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