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Old 08-20-2012, 06:31 AM
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The only entities who get any benefit out of ethanol are the corn growers of America. It is all a political boondoggle which was sold to the American public by special interests and Politicians. But if it makes you feel any better using it to save the environment go for it. But it really does nothing for anyone except those who grow and sell it.
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Old 08-20-2012, 06:42 AM
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yeah^ have you seen the subsidies that go to them? i mean it keeps them alive and farming, but for low quality corn & ethanol
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Old 08-20-2012, 06:57 AM
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The only entities who get any benefit out of ethanol are the corn growers of America. It is all a political boondoggle which was sold to the American public by special interests and Politicians. But if it makes you feel any better using it to save the environment go for it. But it really does nothing for anyone except those who grow and sell it.
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yeah^ have you seen the subsidies that go to them? i mean it keeps them alive and farming, but for low quality corn & ethanol
I am not a Framer, but,Farmers are people too.....we could say the same thing about the oil companies..the only thing buying gas does is help the people who drill and refine it......

I think the $.60/gallon subsidies for alcohol ended last year. I think the farms might still get tax credits but I am not sure..I know the oil companys are subsidized by the government....the bigger mystery is why Brazil grows sugarcane and get a better ratio of energy in return...

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The only entities who get any benefit out of ethanol are the corn growers of America. It is all a political boondoggle which was sold to the American public by special interests and Politicians. But if it makes you feel any better using it to save the environment go for it. But it really does nothing for anyone except those who grow and sell it.
the whole idea is diversity in energy....we don't want to be dependent on one product or source. no one knows this better then the Military. They have a plan to have 25% of their fuel be alcohol within the next 10 years or so......if you produce Alcohol the Military will buy from you.
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Old 08-20-2012, 06:59 AM
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Old 08-20-2012, 07:23 AM
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I am sorry, but farmers aren't benefiting from ethanol as much as u think.
I live in Minnesota, a big ethanol corn producer, and I work with several farmers that grow corn, some for ethanol, the rest for cattle feed. They make 10x more on the corn they sell for cattle feed than they do for ethanol. They say the ethanol plants are the ones making the big money.

The ethanol industry is no different than the oil industry. The big wigs make the big money, the hard workers get the chump change.
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Old 08-20-2012, 07:27 AM
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I am sorry, but farmers aren't benefiting from ethanol as much as u think.
I live in Minnesota, a big ethanol corn producer, and I work with several farmers that grow corn, some for ethanol, the rest for cattle feed. They make 10x more on the corn they sell for cattle feed than they do for ethanol. They say the ethanol plants are the ones making the big money.

The ethanol industry is no different than the oil industry. The big wigs make the big money, the hard workers get the chump change.
agreed. it still buys corn from them
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Old 08-20-2012, 07:32 AM
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I am sorry, but farmers aren't benefiting from ethanol as much as u think.
I live in Minnesota, a big ethanol corn producer, and I work with several farmers that grow corn, some for ethanol, the rest for cattle feed. They make 10x more on the corn they sell for cattle feed than they do for ethanol. They say the ethanol plants are the ones making the big money.

The ethanol industry is no different than the oil industry. The big wigs make the big money, the hard workers get the chump change.
I don't really disagree with you. I am a capitalist so i have no issue with the ethenal industry making money. I think a farmer had a better chance of competing in the crowd. I don't know many people who started an oil company.
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Old 11-14-2012, 01:11 AM
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The only way to get E100 or pure ethanol is to make it yourself. If you've been running gasoline for long periods of time in your Flex Fuel engine, changing to E85 or greater all at once could have harmful side effects. Now as far as the tax rebates go they're still in place for now but you have to produce a "certain amount" of corn that's grown strictly for "ethanol use only". 7 times out of 10, a farmer usually doesn't meet this amount and the quality of the corn is usually pretty bad. This pretty much forces refineries to change the way it's made and if using corn it must be made on a consistant basis. Brazil has shown us how using ethanol has pretty much cleaned their eco system up and how sugar can lower the costs of production by a huge margin. Soft drink factories and bottlers discard sugar based carbonated water on a daily basis due to FDA regulations and routine inspections. All you need to add at this point is yeast. Coca-Cola discards an untold amount of this every single day and this company is world wide and this stuff is made on a consistant basis. I'm pretty sure that you can get this stuff for free at which point all you'd be buying is the yeast needed for fermentation.
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I don't have a dog in this fight. I am watching from the sidelines......for now...........I am not an expert or claiming to be an expert on the subject....if you think anything I am saying is incorrect please correct me....I gather information form both sides of the issue........

Maybe someone is choosing to run e85 or higher because they hate Mobil-Exxon more than Monsanto....however, if you are going to run e85+ in your truck and the truck has not had e85 in for a long time you might consider changing the fuel filter before hand. the e85 is going to clean out your tank and system. I think the recommendation is to run about 3 tanks/1000 miles and then change the fuel filter again. In some case the sock on the pump can get covered in varnish etc........you might even consider swapping that out. I think a lot of the fuel pump issues from alcohol are actually caused by the fuel filter and socks getting clogged and burning the pump out.....not the actual alcohol destroying the pump.......Also I think some of the MPG's discrepancy might be from people changing back and forth from gas to alcohol....I think if you run the alcohol, after a few tanks you should see about a 10% reduction in Mileage......

Not everyone will have a problem with the tanks being "cleaned out". It depends on if your local fuel has MTBE in it. When Ethanol is mixed with MTBE it creates a brown sludge. Today MTBE is very hard to find in gas but I imagine back in the day it was possible to get E10, and across the road you could get MTBE. Boaters have big problems if they mix E0 with MTBE in it then fill up with E10 and let it sit for a while. My flex fuel Ranger was made one year after MTBE was banned in my state. So there is no chance of the two ever mixing in my tank.
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