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Old 12-03-2009, 07:45 PM
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no, with a wai your sucking up hot air which probally reduces power. all you would gain is sound..
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Here is the thing. You have a small engine that can barely breath. Putting an intake wont do anything but make noise. Maybe you will gain 1 to 3 hp but that's it. On its own it wont do much. If you had other stuff like exhaust, headers, underdrive pulleys and tune then the intake would help. If you just want sound then pull the silencer if it has one.
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no, with a wai your sucking up hot air which probally reduces power. all you would gain is sound..
thats what i though. and that is definitely not what i want at all...
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Old 12-03-2009, 08:27 PM
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Here is the thing. You have a small engine that can barely breath. Putting an intake wont do anything but make noise. Maybe you will gain 1 to 3 hp but that's it. On its own it wont do much. If you had other stuff like exhaust, headers, underdrive pulleys and tune then the intake would help. If you just want sound then pull the silencer if it has one.
i do have flowmasters if that helps. and i wouldnt mind underdrive pulleys
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Flowmaster is crap. Seriously though you don't need an intake.
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Flowmaster is crap. Seriously though you don't need an intake.
ok alrighty. and why is flowmaster crap. what do you recommend
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ok alrighty. and why is flowmaster crap. what do you recommend
Well if you want sound then they are good. They don't flow that well though. I personally like Magnaflow but it is your truck.
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Old 12-04-2009, 07:51 AM
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Old 12-04-2009, 08:56 AM
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We need a section just to deal with this CAI issue. Links and pics and such, with views of what people have experienced, all in one place. At the present time there are at least 3 ongoing threads about the same thing, (1 has been going for 2 1/2 months). It doesn't matter if it is for a 4 cylinder or a V6, they all do the same thing, but some will benefit more than others.
I read these daily, all have there own opinion, even me, that is what forums are all about. I like my CAI. After the chip, the CAI, the larger exhaust, and the tire change, I went from a miserable 17-18 mixed to 19-21 mixed. I figure the mods have paid for themselves, so from here on it is all gravy.
For those who want a so called cold air intake, you are going to need to duct from somewhere behind the grill or up from in front of the tire to get cold air, but, in most cases people don't like the look of a duct tube and won't do it anyway. You will only get cold air when the truck is in motion because of engine compartment heat unless you put a small fan in the duct tube, (no idea whether that helps or not). I would guess those who are talking down CAI's either don't have one, didn't install it correctly or are just too cheap or lazy to find the benefits of more air, whether it be warm or cold.
CAI is only cold air when the air temp outside is cold, I don't know about others, but when it gets cold out side, my mpg drops a little, ( I would bet HP goes the same way), and goes back up when it warms up.
Do they make more HP as advertised? Who knows, it depends on the truck, driver, driving habits and a host of other things.
Does it make more air, (warm or cold) available to the engine? In most cases it does. Will more available air help, depends on who you listen to, a lot of people believe that you are wasting your money and time if you install anything that isn't stock. There reasoning seems to be that the manufacturer knows best because they designed and built it to sell to the public. On that I ask this, does anyone know of any vehicle that comes stock with a gauze air filter, (I'm sure some do, I just don't know of any) and why don't all vehicles come with a gauze if it is better? Or is it all a scam to keep aftermarket companies in business? The reason they are not put on all vehicles is $$$$$'s, plain paper will do the job for about $2.70 @ factory cost vs. $10 or more for the gauze.
The other issue seems be the noise. Does more noise make more HP or get better MPG? Not that I am aware of, but that new noise after removing the silencer, or installing a cone filter seems to be a real problem for some, even though it allows a stock engine to capture more air easier.
I am going to stop on that note and wait for the tongue lashings that are inevitably going to come. But think about what is said before you reply, it is all common sense. Whether you think gauze is better or not, you must agree, having more air available to the engine is better than choking it off.

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I respect your opinion. Just one thing I want to comment on....

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CAI is only cold air when the air temp outside is cold, I don't know about others, but when it gets cold out side, my mpg drops a little, ( I would bet HP goes the same way), and goes back up when it warms up.
Isn't that statement contradictory? Or maybe I'm just not understanding what you mean.

I think everyone can unanimously agree that the cooler the air, the better. So how would cold outside temperature make your HP/MPG go down?

I have not personally noticed a decrease in MPG in any of my vehicles simply because it's cold outside. What I have noticed with every vehicle I've owned is that the engine becomes more "lively" the colder it is outside. In my experience, the colder the air, the better the performance.
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Old 12-04-2009, 11:38 PM
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Isn't that statement contradictory? Or maybe I'm just not understanding what you mean.

I think everyone can unanimously agree that the cooler the air, the better. So how would cold outside temperature make your HP/MPG go down?

I have not personally noticed a decrease in MPG in any of my vehicles simply because it's cold outside. What I have noticed with every vehicle I've owned is that the engine becomes more "lively" the colder it is outside. In my experience, the colder the air, the better the performance.
if hot air increases hp and mpg...then everything ive ever read is false.
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So how would cold outside temperature make your HP/MPG go down?
It probably is due to the gas additives that oil companies have to put in during colder months. The gas is not as efficient and you will get worse gas mileage.
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if hot air increases hp and mpg...then everything ive ever read is false.
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It probably is due to the gas additives that oil companies have to put in during colder months. The gas is not as efficient and you will get worse gas mileage.
If that were true, then that still doesn't have anything to do with air temperature.
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you guys meed to spend some time on a dyno to see what intake do improve power. the one I posted works great as well as a k&n or s&b, and they all have the same filter in the same spot. air behind you headlight is not hot and as you drive fresh air move into you engine bay. try looking a race car or a newer supercharged roush or saleen mustang and lood how there cold air intake are setup. they push 800hp I think they know what they are doing
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you guys meed to spend some time on a dyno to see what intake do improve power. the one I posted works great as well as a k&n or s&b, and they all have the same filter in the same spot. air behind you headlight is not hot and as you drive fresh air move into you engine bay. try looking a race car or a newer supercharged roush or saleen mustang and lood how there cold air intake are setup. they push 800hp I think they know what they are doing
I agree, I've said all along that the stock intake location is the ideal place to draw air.

Not sure what the reference to a blown V8 is supposed to prove, though. I agree they know what they're doing, but the amount that that intake alone contributes to the 800hp is minimal. Those engines, aside from the blower, have some serious internal modifictions.
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